How much gas do you use?
20-Mar-2009, 10:40 PM
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How much gas do you use?
right now i have a d16y8 in my 99 si and i use about 20-40 bucks of gas a week
if i turbo to 8-20 PSI how much gas will i spend (94 octane) lets assume 1 dollar a litre
also how much do you guys spend
and is turbo'ing a car and using it as a daily driver a bad thing?
if so whats the cheapest way i can make a nice zippy car (by zippy i mean quick acceleration)
if i turbo to 8-20 PSI how much gas will i spend (94 octane) lets assume 1 dollar a litre
also how much do you guys spend
and is turbo'ing a car and using it as a daily driver a bad thing?
if so whats the cheapest way i can make a nice zippy car (by zippy i mean quick acceleration)
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20-Mar-2009, 11:12 PM
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turbo'ing a car is a good thing lol. 8-20psi is a really wide range you are looking for. also depending on the turbo. bigger turbo at 20psi will push bigger amount of air therefore more fuel is needed.
also you can keep off boost while driving. but i should let someone with turbo answer this question more accuratily.
also you can keep off boost while driving. but i should let someone with turbo answer this question more accuratily.
20-Mar-2009, 11:36 PM
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turbo'ing a car is a good thing lol. 8-20psi is a really wide range you are looking for. also depending on the turbo. bigger turbo at 20psi will push bigger amount of air therefore more fuel is needed.
also you can keep off boost while driving. but i should let someone with turbo answer this question more accuratily.
also you can keep off boost while driving. but i should let someone with turbo answer this question more accuratily.
21-Mar-2009, 12:37 AM
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depending on the turbo. a gt25 will spoon sooner than a gt40.
what turbo are you thinking about? i got a talon turbo which is the size of gt25 which is stock size. should be spooling juse over 3k rpm depending on the setup and tune. on the hightway i was told that it will actually save you gas as long as you are cruizing at constant speed and not flooring it lol.
what turbo are you thinking about? i got a talon turbo which is the size of gt25 which is stock size. should be spooling juse over 3k rpm depending on the setup and tune. on the hightway i was told that it will actually save you gas as long as you are cruizing at constant speed and not flooring it lol.
21-Mar-2009, 05:49 AM
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right now im just in the research stage of getting a turbo
the reason i chose turbo is that its alot cheaper than a swap and give you the most bang for your buck
my only concern is gas cuz theres no sunocos around my area nor do i wanna spend 100 a week on gas
the reason i chose turbo is that its alot cheaper than a swap and give you the most bang for your buck
my only concern is gas cuz theres no sunocos around my area nor do i wanna spend 100 a week on gas
21-Mar-2009, 07:19 AM
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Well it all depends on how you drive. if your driving normal and not beating the **** out of it all the time, you should get around 450 km's to a tank, but if your beating the **** out of it the hole time, maybe 325 kms out of it. I used to still get around 525 km's out of mine after boosting it when driving nice with it, and before i would get around 550 km's to the tank. When driving hard with the car i would get around 400 km's to the tank, and that was running 12-13 psi.
21-Mar-2009, 07:24 AM
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Well it all depends on how you drive. if your driving normal and not beating the **** out of it all the time, you should get around 450 km's to a tank, but if your beating the **** out of it the hole time, maybe 325 kms out of it. I used to still get around 525 km's out of mine after boosting it when driving nice with it, and before i would get around 550 km's to the tank. When driving hard with the car i would get around 400 km's to the tank, and that was running 12-13 psi.
21-Mar-2009, 10:56 AM
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usually on our gas tanks i think its around $30 a full fillup, thats how much it costs me on 91, although i get bad mileage about 400-450 on my 5 speed, my auto gets sometimes with the wifey driving 600km damn, with regular i would get about 75km or so less.
21-Mar-2009, 11:04 AM
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so 30 bucks on 91 cents eh thats pretty good but how many km's (highway) can a d16y8 go regularly?
nvm
civic tank = 10 gallons = 38 litres
civic highway is 33m = 53 km
km/l= 1.36 km/l
38 l x 97 (octane gas in cents) = 3686 cents which equal to roughly 40 bucks which is good
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civic tank = 10 gallons = 38 litres
civic highway is 33m = 53 km
km/l= 1.36 km/l
38 l x 97 (octane gas in cents) = 3686 cents which equal to roughly 40 bucks which is good
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21-Mar-2009, 11:25 AM
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Okay don't take this the wrong way. I know you're excited to mod your car, yayayada, you just got it, we've all been there. But this is just stupid. Turbo cars require MUCH more maintenance and repair than normal cars, especially if you get cheap stuff which it sounds like you will. Even if it's reliable, there are always unexpected expenses, and you'll have to pay for tuning etc.
If you're counting down to the dollar how much an increase in gas will cost, just don't turbo your car, period. Especially if it's your only car and your daily, and you'll have to be paying someone else to do the work (tons of $$). It's really not that simple and you're putting a ton of stress on the car, things WILL break. It's very expensive, you just don't seem to have the funds. You have to have a ton of disposable income, money you can just throw at the car without crying about it (think of it as an expensive hobby) when you go turbo. If a couple hundred dollars extra being spent on your suspension is a big deal for you, again, I'm saying this many times to prove a point, do NOT turbo your car.
Also, not just the money, but drive your car the way it is for a while, and LEARN so you can make an educated decision with what you're going to do to your car.
Why don't you just get a swap? For a daily I would think a swapped car would make much more sense in terms in reliability and maintenance. An LS swap or B16 isn't that expensive and will make a huge difference compared to your D16Y8.
PS. I pulled off 675 km on a tank on my D16Y7. I'm sure if I go on a long trip with only highway I can pull off 700.
If you're counting down to the dollar how much an increase in gas will cost, just don't turbo your car, period. Especially if it's your only car and your daily, and you'll have to be paying someone else to do the work (tons of $$). It's really not that simple and you're putting a ton of stress on the car, things WILL break. It's very expensive, you just don't seem to have the funds. You have to have a ton of disposable income, money you can just throw at the car without crying about it (think of it as an expensive hobby) when you go turbo. If a couple hundred dollars extra being spent on your suspension is a big deal for you, again, I'm saying this many times to prove a point, do NOT turbo your car.
Also, not just the money, but drive your car the way it is for a while, and LEARN so you can make an educated decision with what you're going to do to your car.
Why don't you just get a swap? For a daily I would think a swapped car would make much more sense in terms in reliability and maintenance. An LS swap or B16 isn't that expensive and will make a huge difference compared to your D16Y8.
PS. I pulled off 675 km on a tank on my D16Y7. I'm sure if I go on a long trip with only highway I can pull off 700.
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21-Mar-2009, 11:41 AM
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Okay don't take this the wrong way. I know you're excited to mod your car, yayayada, you just got it, we've all been there. But this is just stupid. Turbo cars require MUCH more maintenance and repair than normal cars, especially if you get cheap stuff which it sounds like you will. Even if it's reliable, there are always unexpected expenses, and you'll have to pay for tuning etc.
If you're counting down to the dollar how much an increase in gas will cost, just don't turbo your car, period. Especially if it's your only car and your daily, and you'll have to be paying someone else to do the work (tons of $$). It's really not that simple and you're putting a ton of stress on the car, things WILL break. It's very expensive, you just don't seem to have the funds. You have to have a ton of disposable income, money you can just throw at the car without crying about it (think of it as an expensive hobby) when you go turbo. If a couple hundred dollars extra being spent on your suspension is a big deal for you, again, I'm saying this many times to prove a point, do NOT turbo your car.
Also, not just the money, but drive your car the way it is for a while, and LEARN so you can make an educated decision with what you're going to do to your car.
Why don't you just get a swap? For a daily I would think a swapped car would make much more sense in terms in reliability and maintenance. An LS swap or B16 isn't that expensive and will make a huge difference compared to your D16Y8.
PS. I pulled off 675 km on a tank on my D16Y7. I'm sure if I go on a long trip with only highway I can pull off 700.
If you're counting down to the dollar how much an increase in gas will cost, just don't turbo your car, period. Especially if it's your only car and your daily, and you'll have to be paying someone else to do the work (tons of $$). It's really not that simple and you're putting a ton of stress on the car, things WILL break. It's very expensive, you just don't seem to have the funds. You have to have a ton of disposable income, money you can just throw at the car without crying about it (think of it as an expensive hobby) when you go turbo. If a couple hundred dollars extra being spent on your suspension is a big deal for you, again, I'm saying this many times to prove a point, do NOT turbo your car.
Also, not just the money, but drive your car the way it is for a while, and LEARN so you can make an educated decision with what you're going to do to your car.
Why don't you just get a swap? For a daily I would think a swapped car would make much more sense in terms in reliability and maintenance. An LS swap or B16 isn't that expensive and will make a huge difference compared to your D16Y8.
PS. I pulled off 675 km on a tank on my D16Y7. I'm sure if I go on a long trip with only highway I can pull off 700.
no i hear u man the thing is
after i drove a v6 (ford probe) i wanted to replicate that power SOOO badly that my only alternative was a turbo (none of the b series matched up to the probes v6). and yes i wanted to do an h22 swap before but that was nearing 4000 dollars for 220 hp and 156 tq while a turbo was 3000 (not new ofcourse) and would give me an even bigger gain
if i had the money id swap in a k engine but again the motor+ tranny for k series is like...6000 and the mounts plus install another 2000?
like im trying to find ANYTHING that would replicate the ford probes v6 now i love civics man hondas in my blood but after you drive a fast car its hard to go back into a car thats like 120 hp 102 tq u know what i mean and im not like a super racer im more of a looker (not ricer) but i still like that feeling of things blurring as i push down the gas while with my engine now if i redline every shift and massacre the gas ill be going at what 160-190? while a probe can top out at like 200-210 (and it reaches there quickly)
btw the probes stats are
164 HP
160 tq
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21-Mar-2009, 11:52 AM
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A turbo would alone would not give you anywhere near 220 hp though. That's more than double your hp. I'm sure you *could* make that much but you would have to do a ton of other mods too.
And, although a swap might be a little more expensive if you consider power to money spent ratio, but with a swap you're getting an original engine from the factory which (should) be reliable, vs a highly modified engine putting out 2x the power that it was designed for.
Also if you're not balling out of control it's a good idea to consider resale value. I'm sure how much you paid for your car, but say it was 4000, if you drop another 3k on a turbo, no one on earth will give you 7k for your car because buying a turbo car is very risky because you dont know if it was beat on etc. You will be lucky to get 5k for it if you sell it.
WHy don't you save your money an buy an SiR ? If you sell your car, add your 3k, you have 7000 which could buy you decent SiR.... and at the end of the day you have an SiR, which will always hold it's value. The B16 isn't *that* fast, but it's fast enough to be fun for sure, and you get rear disc and tons of other stuff that y ou car doesn 't have.
Otherwise I would just get an LS swap or something. You can buy a swap for 1-1.5k easy...
And, although a swap might be a little more expensive if you consider power to money spent ratio, but with a swap you're getting an original engine from the factory which (should) be reliable, vs a highly modified engine putting out 2x the power that it was designed for.
Also if you're not balling out of control it's a good idea to consider resale value. I'm sure how much you paid for your car, but say it was 4000, if you drop another 3k on a turbo, no one on earth will give you 7k for your car because buying a turbo car is very risky because you dont know if it was beat on etc. You will be lucky to get 5k for it if you sell it.
WHy don't you save your money an buy an SiR ? If you sell your car, add your 3k, you have 7000 which could buy you decent SiR.... and at the end of the day you have an SiR, which will always hold it's value. The B16 isn't *that* fast, but it's fast enough to be fun for sure, and you get rear disc and tons of other stuff that y ou car doesn 't have.
Otherwise I would just get an LS swap or something. You can buy a swap for 1-1.5k easy...
21-Mar-2009, 11:58 AM
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A turbo would alone would not give you anywhere near 220 hp though. That's more than double your hp. I'm sure you *could* make that much but you would have to do a ton of other mods too.
And, although a swap might be a little more expensive if you consider power to money spent ratio, but with a swap you're getting an original engine from the factory which (should) be reliable, vs a highly modified engine putting out 2x the power that it was designed for.
Also if you're not balling out of control it's a good idea to consider resale value. I'm sure how much you paid for your car, but say it was 4000, if you drop another 3k on a turbo, no one on earth will give you 7k for your car because buying a turbo car is very risky because you dont know if it was beat on etc. You will be lucky to get 5k for it if you sell it.
WHy don't you save your money an buy an SiR ? If you sell your car, add your 3k, you have 7000 which could buy you decent SiR.... and at the end of the day you have an SiR, which will always hold it's value. The B16 isn't *that* fast, but it's fast enough to be fun for sure, and you get rear disc and tons of other stuff that y ou car doesn 't have.
Otherwise I would just get an LS swap or something. You can buy a swap for 1-1.5k easy...
And, although a swap might be a little more expensive if you consider power to money spent ratio, but with a swap you're getting an original engine from the factory which (should) be reliable, vs a highly modified engine putting out 2x the power that it was designed for.
Also if you're not balling out of control it's a good idea to consider resale value. I'm sure how much you paid for your car, but say it was 4000, if you drop another 3k on a turbo, no one on earth will give you 7k for your car because buying a turbo car is very risky because you dont know if it was beat on etc. You will be lucky to get 5k for it if you sell it.
WHy don't you save your money an buy an SiR ? If you sell your car, add your 3k, you have 7000 which could buy you decent SiR.... and at the end of the day you have an SiR, which will always hold it's value. The B16 isn't *that* fast, but it's fast enough to be fun for sure, and you get rear disc and tons of other stuff that y ou car doesn 't have.
Otherwise I would just get an LS swap or something. You can buy a swap for 1-1.5k easy...
SiR in scarborough isnt a good idea (i know a couple of car thieves (they steal for fun then park and run away they never chop it up) and they tell me alot of things lol)
i keep hearing LS what are the specs of an LS swap
if the turbo wasnt going to work out i was considering a mini me swap with an LSD tranny
i know LSD tranny's help you out alot and one of my goals is to have an LSD tranny so what motor swap could i get in which i could put an LSD tranny? (again budget is 3000)
21-Mar-2009, 12:16 PM
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I'm not sure, look those up lol. And do a ton more reaserach before choosing one! There are a lot of motors I'm just throwing that into the mix as well. The B16 is around the same price and it's also nice, they're diffierent motors. A B18C1 (GSR motor) is great too but pricy.
And, in lay mans terms, a shorter geared tranny basically means you have to shift more often. If you get an LS tranny (off an LS Integra), their gears are a little long, so you don't have ot shift often. If you get a short gear tranny (like a B16 tranny), you have to shift more often, so you're in the powerband of the engine much more. Do you know what I mean? Like say you have to shift from 1st to second at 40 on an LS tranny, on a B16 tranny you would only be going 20 but you already ahve to shift, so you're at higher RPM much quicker than on a longer geared tranny, where you ahve to wait a long time to reach high RPM.
And, in lay mans terms, a shorter geared tranny basically means you have to shift more often. If you get an LS tranny (off an LS Integra), their gears are a little long, so you don't have ot shift often. If you get a short gear tranny (like a B16 tranny), you have to shift more often, so you're in the powerband of the engine much more. Do you know what I mean? Like say you have to shift from 1st to second at 40 on an LS tranny, on a B16 tranny you would only be going 20 but you already ahve to shift, so you're at higher RPM much quicker than on a longer geared tranny, where you ahve to wait a long time to reach high RPM.
21-Mar-2009, 01:16 PM
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i did a bit of research (well i did this research before i even had my car lol) and i think im going to have to go with this:
TorontoJDM.com - Total Japanese Domestic Motor - JDM B16A 2ND GEN OBD1 ENGINE
i can pay the extra money to get an LSD tranny on there and its short geared (according to blitz) and its pushing 160 HP and 111 TQ (i think) so ya i think this engine would be considered "zippy" lol
any suggestions before i get the engine (which will be end of april lol X_X)?
TorontoJDM.com - Total Japanese Domestic Motor - JDM B16A 2ND GEN OBD1 ENGINE
i can pay the extra money to get an LSD tranny on there and its short geared (according to blitz) and its pushing 160 HP and 111 TQ (i think) so ya i think this engine would be considered "zippy" lol
any suggestions before i get the engine (which will be end of april lol X_X)?
21-Mar-2009, 01:24 PM
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Thats what i have in my 96si. But i would recommend to change the clutch, water pump, and timing belt and you will also need one mount from the SIR. Oh, and also if you wanna stay obd1 with that motor, you'll need the conversion harness.
