sol2nv

This is a copy paste i didn't writte this. is a good read. you may or may not agree. But your 2 cents is welcome

Honda Tuning Magazine

STOP THE HATE

I miss having a turbo car. Or maybe I just miss the time when I was building it. Back then, with little money, resources, or hook-ups to speak of, building homemade turbo kits was the only way I could keep up at the street races. I Couldn’t afford a swap, especially a built one, so I had to make the power via boost.

Getting new parts was exciting then because I could only afford one every other month or so. It took me almost a year to piece together my first turbo kit, which added to the sense of accomplishment to the euphoria I felt the first time that compressor spooled. Even though the pompous N/A B-Series guys talked down on my turbo D, I felt like I had earned the right to be proud of my blow off valve.

As the years went by, My resource pool grew, and building N/A B’s and K’s has turned into an everyday occurrence. I gradually became the elitist that I never wanted to be. I’ve been on the N/A bandwagon for so long that I’ve forgotten the original reason I started building these things: to go fast. Now my ambition to build cars is to have a cooler one that the next guy’s. Only recently I have realized how much of a problem this is.

The Honda scene is kind of self-destructive. We’ve taken a culture founded on individuality and camaraderie and bastardized it into one based on brinkmanship and petty competition. Read any internet forum and you’ll find that 80 percent of the posts in any given thread are argumentative. Is it the Web’s fault? No. it’s ours for taking a resource with so much growth potential for the scene and not using it to it’s fullest.

A lot of us came from a time when we were a minority in the aftermarket world. You’d go to the track and see 3 out of a hundred people driving Hondas. You can bet that, weather or not those 3 people knew each other, those guys would be the best of friends for the day. We stuck together because we had to, and we didn’t care one bit weather the other guy’s wheels were fake.
Now that we’ve grown into the largest groups enthusiasts in the world, we’ve let ourselves turn into the Mustang-driving bouchebags we hated so much, and worse, we’re doing it to each other. Remember how bad it felt to hear some redneck tell you that your car needed a V8 to be worthwhile? How is the different than telling a kid that is car is ghetto cause he rocks a turbo D? In the early ‘90s you would’ve been impressed by that same setup – what’s changed?

There needs to be a clear divide between the 3 types of cars that our scene builds. We’ve got race cars, street cars, and show cars, but the definitions of these classes are blurred. Compromising one ride’s purpose to appease the masses has become a common concession.

A race car’s purpose is to go fast, that’s it. It’s OK to rock whatever parts you need on a race car to go fast, even if it isn’t JDM or rare enough to wow the Appearance and Cosmetic Forum groupies. The $1500 difference between a real set of wheels and a knockoff set could be a few tenths off of you ET or a second or two off of your lap times. Why waste it to impress people when you could just impress them by being faster?

Street cars are daily drivers. A car that we rock everyday should be comfortable. Why roll on some sick JDM race car coilover setup when there are street specific setups available? To be cool? C’mon

Of the 3, the class that needs the most work are the show cars. When this scene first started, show cars were extravagant. Bright colors, big wheels, crazy interiors and body kits were the norm. I’m the first to admit that we went over the top back then, which facilitated the coinage of the expression “rice.” This one word changed the way we, as a group, look at cars. Having your car considered rice is a fate worse than death. Over the year it’s become harder to stay out of that category because the limits of what is acceptable have gradually grown narrower. Nowadays, even having a part that looks the same as an acceptable one but doesn’t have the correct sticker on it will get you thrown into the rice category.

Personally, I’m over it. I think we should be pushing the limits of what is considered rice. We’ve got experience with both sides of the spectrum, so why not take some from column A and some from Column B? We’d end up with a car that is still in the ballpark of the aesthetic guidelines that we’ve enforced on ourselves, but with a little bit of personality, soul, and flavor. We’re supposed to be expressing our own artistic talent and vision through our cars, not everybody else’s. Use yours to show the rest of the world who your are – I dare you.

No longer will I instinctively ask myself that Honda-Tech.com will think about my cars. When this all started for me, I built what I wanted and took the heat from the haters with a grain of salt. When the hate started coming from my peers in the Honda-verse, I started taking it more seriously. However, much as I don’t want to admit it, I’m just as guilty of Internet hating as any of the rest of the population of e-thugs. I don’t want to contribute to this anymore. Building cars to fit the mold of what’s “in” has put a damper on my enthusiasm for them. I resolve to build car for myself from now on.

I think I want 17's on my EG. Say what you will about it – I don’t care any more – DB



Dru Barrios – Honda Tuning Magazine

imported_d16y8

What I think is much worse than all the hating is that people have to worry about their car being stolen by some clown to part out and make money.

imported_luvmycivic

Amen!

sol2nv

yeah finally someone had to say it but its not like ppl gonan stop hating it is all baised on jealousy. when reall it shouldnt be it shoud be how good the part is.....

Oldspower

he spelled whether....weather.... but just so you know, what he all said, is basically what every other non honda person says about honda people. lol. and there is way too many haters on Honda-Tech. All a bunch of JDM loving, hating on people, grumpy no ***** getting douchebags.. not bouchebags like the guy also said lol.... still though, he has a point. Mine's a street car.

Double_B

Yes he does have a point. To be honest, it's sometimes no different here. If it's not a Honda, it seems that it doesn't meet some expectation of what a good car is suppose to be. I love Honda's, but I appreciate lots of other cars that are out there as well. To each his own.

polak182

wow...whoever wrote that just made the honda scene 10 times worse than it is.

Now it makes me feel like I have to be a homo and hold hands...go to honda meets and tell everyone their cars are so amazing and how I love them. We should all hold hands now and go to meets and compliment every little gay mod we have! WOW! Go honda power! Vtec ya'll!

Tego

Well put!

imported_rhd_ef

my life story
everyone hates turbo d's
fack them!

SOHC my cocck!

Tego

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Oldspower

It's not so much that youve gotta be all gay and butt secks with your fellow Honda guys, but, the car scene, particularily imports -being made up of predominatly younger people, has become overwhelmed with people that do not have an automotive background coming in and asking dumb things, commenting on things they dont really know about, modding their cars wrong or illegally, all of which hurts the "sport". Older muscle car guys, or vintage British bikes for example -which I am used to because my dad collects them, get together and shoot the **** about everything, but have a mutual respect for what they put into their cars/bikes. Not so much WHAT it is in terms of mods, but the time, resources, products that coincide with each other to have a final outcome of whatever it is. Nobodys car is any better than anyone else's when it comes down to it, everyone's is different. But for some reason, like the author said, if it's not rare, expensive, or what's "cool" people flame and hate like no other, and nit pick about everything, other than congradulating the person on being innovative or progressing the scene furthur and expanding into new things. Remember trends start from somewhere, and I get flamed for having VW wheels and lip on my Sedan, I could care less, they look nice, are lighter, and bigger than my stock wheels. The lip cost me nothing but is bigger than a DA lip. Just a little of my .02

imported_loudsubz

this guys post is no different than all the other rants

boo hoo


find a new hobby, start modding PWC's or something

imported_snguy82

I totally agree.

There's gotta be more mutual respect for the individuality and uniqueness of the hobby. It should be a friendly hobby which welcomes any car owners interested in Hondas to join and learn.

pain2bare

Agreed, I love Honda's reliablility, quality and lego like modifications but do respect other makes and models.

polak182

Exactly! I don't wanna 'fake' interest in peoples 'fake' rims just because it makes them feel better. Now a days, people get bash hard on and get into arguments not ebcuase they are cheap bastards and own ghetto rotas and drags, but it's because they buy drags, go to a meet and think they are cool and "jdm" which is no longer cool because JDM is the new rice trend. Everyone wants it and everyone wants to be JDM. SO sad. Car clubs have turned into people patting each other on the back and telling each other their car looks nice and honestly thinking either "wow...it looks so bad but I want my car to be better than his" or "wow, his car looks SO SUPER...I hope I can hold his hand."


"your Advan stickers are so JDM please...lemme do you"

Oldspower

yet your siggy says "amber is ok"... amber corners are considered jdm arent they. But yeah, JDM is gay, I've been saying that forever, but I dont think you got the whole meaning of what the author said.

1nf4m0u5

It basically comes down to if you don't have anything nice to say then STFU.

Not everyone that owns a honda can justify spending 2 grand on rims, there's nothing "ghetto" about that.

Some of you guys

polak182

Actually no, My siggy says amber is OK because I own an Acura EL and the corners come amber stock. It's the JDM wanna be's that have to buy $600 JDM domani headlights that don't have amber. It's the noobs that think amber is JDM. Same goes with the S2000...the USDM models have ambers in the headlight and the JDM model has clears...people still spend $1000 to have others tell them they are JDM. That's why I found that funny and ironic, so I posted it in my sig. Why Ironic? The civic never had amber corners, yet OptionJDM claims the amber sides the sell are JDM...?ok. JDM is only gay when people buy knock off parts and claim their cars are JDM when they have no knowledge. An EG is a 4 door 92-95 civic in North America, why are you calling you EH an EG6? All american 96-00 are either EJ6's, EJ8's or EM1's...not EK's. We don't have a single EK in Canada. There are a rare few in the states. That's it.

This is why people on Honda-Tech get pissed. Because a noob associates himself with a scene he's not in. That's why all the modders that get the car done right, and don't buy a bunch of JDM things and stick on some ricer TLC headlights, out of the blue get into arguments. Sure it's your style, but if you don't wanna get critisized, get off honda-tech. Go on toronto civics or Club si. And stay away. I deal with this crap every day and I'm one of those ******** that say GTFO of this thread on h-t. For example, the 'post your slammed cars' thread is one of the most looked at threads on honda-tech, and a lot of morons who aren't even slammed post their cars on that thread becuase they wanna to despritely have people compliment them and tell them how awesome their car looks. Well sorry, if it says post your car slammed, don't post a pic of a car with wheel gap when clearly every other car in that thread has tucked tires. Then they post a moronic article in a honda magazine because people at h-t didn't wanna pat them on the back and tell them how amazing their altezzas look on their moms EJ6 sedan.

imported_Crazed

this is very true there is alot of hate in the honda community, this is not to say that some of it is not valid. The problem is when someone puts something on their car that you (all of us in general) find tacky, ugly, or simply not our style, it will be labeled as rice, instead of what it is FUGLY. I personally love the clean look of jdm styling, this was even before I really got into civics, even before i got my own, but different strokes for different folks. As for the motor hating, got the d, b, h, k guys all hating on eachother, you dont really have this in other communities.

Pimpin-EL

i rarely see hate for motors....What most ppl are hating on, is juss improper use of terms. The word "JDM" is one of the uggliest words ever made up to me. It represents a group of ricers who don't really know what they are talking about. I feel really dissed when ppl ask me or tell me I am JDM. Although I have a fair list of JDM parts. For example, the ppl who are the tru JDM OGs, will never call themselves JDM or associate themselves as JDM. I remember when Teamrukus was selling his accord, he didn't try to hype it up by calling it JDM or anything. Instead he said "FS: JDM oriented Accord". Now that is a fair and good way of putting it. You can say you like the style or your aiming for a look like that, but don't tell ppl ur JDM. As a result of all those lies, misformed noobs go around mouthing off and more rumers or lies occur in the Honda community. Therefore the Honda community will always just be viewed as a group of ricers....