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22-Jun-2006, 12:47 PM
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When you say "most hondas" don't have hp or torque, you can't compare the lower model civics to the se-r. The se-r is nissans answer to the civic SiR or Type-R and the teg gsr, type r. You can;t compare a civic dx with 130hp to the 175 horse se-r, it's not in the same catagory.
The civic sir's may not have 175 hp, but they are lighter and it is proven (if you do the math) that you will be faster if you make more hp at higher rpms than if you make lot's of low-end torque.
Through torque multiplication, the higher revving, high hp engines actually make more torque at maximum output than a lower revving low end torque motor, EVENTHOUGH the lower revving engine has a higher torque number.
I know it sounds confusing but it makes sense.
I saw it explained before on a website and i'm trying to find it to show you guys what i'm trying to say.
Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
The civic sir's may not have 175 hp, but they are lighter and it is proven (if you do the math) that you will be faster if you make more hp at higher rpms than if you make lot's of low-end torque.
Through torque multiplication, the higher revving, high hp engines actually make more torque at maximum output than a lower revving low end torque motor, EVENTHOUGH the lower revving engine has a higher torque number.
I know it sounds confusing but it makes sense.
I saw it explained before on a website and i'm trying to find it to show you guys what i'm trying to say.
Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
23-Jun-2006, 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by 92JDMx
LOL this thread if funny, mike tries to make fun of the se-r but in fact, all post after by people are for the se-r...
i have to agree with whoever wrote about the se-r, they have more torque, which will allow acclerate faster, hp just keeps ya going, which most hondas lack both :P
LOL this thread if funny, mike tries to make fun of the se-r but in fact, all post after by people are for the se-r...
i have to agree with whoever wrote about the se-r, they have more torque, which will allow acclerate faster, hp just keeps ya going, which most hondas lack both :P
... i never see built se-r motors? or do i just live under a honda rock haha
23-Jun-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by Bryce
IMO SE-r... suck there ugly... and what not... Sure some of us have to rev to 8k or watever to go anywhere. but still civics are much better looking cars.. period.
IMO SE-r... suck there ugly... and what not... Sure some of us have to rev to 8k or watever to go anywhere. but still civics are much better looking cars.. period.
To each their own, right?
24-Jun-2006, 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
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Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
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Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
24-Jun-2006, 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by Dawson
true cant get 36+ mpg or hit 8200rpm but the QR25DE in the sentra SER and spec V has a set of secondary butterflys thats is damn loud at around 5g kinda like nissans answer to vtec lol
true cant get 36+ mpg or hit 8200rpm but the QR25DE in the sentra SER and spec V has a set of secondary butterflys thats is damn loud at around 5g kinda like nissans answer to vtec lol
sick... gsrs have secondary butterflies too... and vtec... kinda like two vtecs... hahaha... sounds way better than any nissan i've ever heard... i normally hear their ****ty engines running loudly when they are sitting beside me at a light... either that or ever nissan owner is always needing a serious oil change when i sit next to them when they are running. well, not really, but vtec is way ****ing better than anything a gay se-r can try to imitate... .
24-Jun-2006, 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by mikepasini
sick... gsrs have secondary butterflies too... and vtec... kinda like two vtecs... hahaha... sounds way better than any nissan i've ever heard... i normally hear their ****ty engines running loudly when they are sitting beside me at a light... either that or ever nissan owner is always needing a serious oil change when i sit next to them when they are running. well, not really, but vtec is way ****ing better than anything a gay se-r can try to imitate... .
sick... gsrs have secondary butterflies too... and vtec... kinda like two vtecs... hahaha... sounds way better than any nissan i've ever heard... i normally hear their ****ty engines running loudly when they are sitting beside me at a light... either that or ever nissan owner is always needing a serious oil change when i sit next to them when they are running. well, not really, but vtec is way ****ing better than anything a gay se-r can try to imitate... .
24-Jun-2006, 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
Your brave to say somthing like that on a civic forum...
But hey, everyone's got they're own opinion eh...
Your brave to say somthing like that on a civic forum...
But hey, everyone's got they're own opinion eh...
24-Jun-2006, 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Gallagher
pftttttt who said that
pftttttt who said that
PS - I hear your sled is gone. It's time for you to buy an Audi A4 and move on...
24-Jun-2006, 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Torrey
That's the best example of verbal diaherra I've not seen in a long time. You can diagnose they need an oil change, from being beside them at a stop-light? Two of my friends have SE-R's and had ZERO problems with them. The above is the generic honda owner statement. Do you really think Nissan engineers had in mind to imitate honda's 'vtec' sound when designing the motor? Get eduMACated kid...
That's the best example of verbal diaherra I've not seen in a long time. You can diagnose they need an oil change, from being beside them at a stop-light? Two of my friends have SE-R's and had ZERO problems with them. The above is the generic honda owner statement. Do you really think Nissan engineers had in mind to imitate honda's 'vtec' sound when designing the motor? Get eduMACated kid...
u had to do a swap to even compare to the se-r so why do u find it funny? i wouldnt laugh at a car that came out of the factory already better then your car.. what u gonna do when some dude with a SE-R with performance parts pull next to u? laugh at him cause its a se-r?
24-Jun-2006, 09:30 PM
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eric you cant compare a SE-R to a DX... when you say "you had to get a swap to make your car faster" Thats like comparing a lambo to a civic.. Compare the Sentra SE to a Si.. then you have some competition your comparing two separte trim levles 
You could say yea the GS-r Would compete with the SE-r but guarenteed the gsr would win.. IMO its notalways about numbers sometimes. id win agasint a SE-r is my point haha.. but all im saying is we all have our own taste in vehicles so.. i guess all im saying is were all entitled to it
You could say yea the GS-r Would compete with the SE-r but guarenteed the gsr would win.. IMO its notalways about numbers sometimes. id win agasint a SE-r is my point haha.. but all im saying is we all have our own taste in vehicles so.. i guess all im saying is were all entitled to it
24-Jun-2006, 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Torrey
IMO most civics suck - they are ugly too.
To each their own, right?
IMO most civics suck - they are ugly too.
To each their own, right?
and all u had to do was fix it and u would of still been faster then the MR2
25-Jun-2006, 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by VTEC_Thunder
When you say "most hondas" don't have hp or torque,...
Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
When you say "most hondas" don't have hp or torque,...
Another thing, you can't rev the se-r to 8200rpms and listen to the beautifull symphony of VTEC everyday and get 36+mpg (which i have recorded on several occasions)
umm almost all honda engines are high reving, its because the stroke is so short...made for vtec. This isnt some design flaw, the motors are made to be economical until vtec, and increase power output during vtec. Think of a yamaha sport bike vs a harley. The harley has a huge stroke and gobs of torque, and lower redline...the yamaha has the tiny stroke, high reving, low torque.
some people hate it ..some love it...thats how vtec engines are. I just get pissed when people make it sound like the motor has some design flaw and produces no torque when the reality is thats how the thing is supposed to run.
se-r's are alright cars, i wouldnt buy one...f'n bitch on insurance for some reason.
25-Jun-2006, 01:23 AM
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after reading mikepasini's comments... i think its pretty clear he's just one of those typical honda loving idiots who doesnt really know much
but then again...
VEEEEEEETTECCC POWER EVERYBODY!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but then again...
Originally posted by mikepasini
vtec is way ****ing better than anything a gay se-r can try to imitate... .
vtec is way ****ing better than anything a gay se-r can try to imitate... .
VEEEEEEETTECCC POWER EVERYBODY!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25-Jun-2006, 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by Bryce
eric you cant compare a SE-R to a DX... when you say "you had to get a swap to make your car faster" Thats like comparing a lambo to a civic.. Compare the Sentra SE to a Si.. then you have some competition your comparing two separte trim levles
You could say yea the GS-r Would compete with the SE-r but guarenteed the gsr would win.. IMO its notalways about numbers sometimes. id win agasint a SE-r is my point haha.. but all im saying is we all have our own taste in vehicles so.. i guess all im saying is were all entitled to it
eric you cant compare a SE-R to a DX... when you say "you had to get a swap to make your car faster" Thats like comparing a lambo to a civic.. Compare the Sentra SE to a Si.. then you have some competition your comparing two separte trim levles
You could say yea the GS-r Would compete with the SE-r but guarenteed the gsr would win.. IMO its notalways about numbers sometimes. id win agasint a SE-r is my point haha.. but all im saying is we all have our own taste in vehicles so.. i guess all im saying is were all entitled to it
