imported_hustler_98

hey i just bought a H22A for my 98 Si coupe. i hear they are right up there with the type R for speed but they are cheaper for the swap so i went with it. its going in my car in 2-3 weeks i just wanted to know what they should be running stock for 1/4 mi times in an ek and what are good upgrades for this engine without boosting.

i just wanted to know what i should be saving up for and the appx. amount of money it should be... if any of you guys have H22 in your civic, do you like that engine? what problems have you ran into, what should i be looking out for? and what have you done to it that you have notice gains...

my roommate has the new cobalt SS with the stage 2 kit and it supposed to boost his car about 50hp more and he ended up putting a smaller pully on his supercharger that gains another 15hp or so.... ii was just wondering if i have a chance against him on the next 1/4mi. day. last time he ran without that smaller pully he was a 14.8.... but he wasnt getting any traction and i dont know what to expect with this new engine....

just want some feedback from ppl out there, just so i know what to expect when i pick it up from the garage...

thanks alot.

chris_si98

very hard to tell what u can run in the 1/4 mile w/o knowing the mods and your experience

imported_viper

I am not sure if you would have a chance against him...a guy in our club just dyno'd his SS and it hit 215 at the wheels...if he has done this upgrade...then you probably wont keep up. you car still weighs in pretty heavy. it would be a different storey if you were in a hatch...I would think

imported_hustler_98

for the mods done to my h22 wont be anything really, just a true cold intake and catback custom exaust with a vibrant pipe. as for experience im a decent driver, my shift are pretty quick but with this new engine i dont know how my launches are going to be, bc of the torque difference.. but for the guy in the cobalt, hes not the quickest driver ive seen... his car is supposed to run a 14.6 stock according to car and driver and with this stage2 hes only running a 14.8... so i dont know.
im mostly interested in mod that i can do to this car... and if anyone else has done any....

bren

youre not gonna beat him unless he sucks at driving and youre pro, or have slicks. i have raced many h22 ek's and rarely do they make it into 13's, mostly 14.3 ish

as far as the swap, do you have your mounts yet? those are going to be pricey, as well as the axles you should use. h22 isnt a common swap for eks, mostly cause its a ***** to get the h in there and it doesnt outperform the b's. youre also gonna be heavy in the front which will result in cornering difficulties.

anyway, not trying to be overly negative or anything - good luck with the swap and i hope you kick his ***. but do it at the track

bren

imported_360_vortex

unless you have better gearing...you dont stand a chance...


actually with better gearing, you are boarderlining

imported_t_dot_SiR

i think a hatch and a coupe doesn't weigh that much diff...
the coupe only weighs around 80-100lbs...

if you take out the a/c and p/s... they weigh different by very lil..

only drawbacks is the Si has the sunroof which is heavy =)

say 100lbs cost you about 0.1 in 1/4? not sure... but i was doing some weight searching, its true hatch is slightly lighter, but not a lot that would make an enormous diff i believe... but then its just coz the EG hatch looks so good, and it can handles so sweet, the hatch is always the preferably option for tracking purpose i say

kwasley

are you sure?
are h22s really that much heavier than b-series


anyways invest in a performance clutch

imported_hustler_98

ya if i can run a 14.3 im pretty sure he wont be able to beat that, i would say he will be around the 14.5 cuz of his slow shifting and he has a really heavy foot...

as for handling i do have sway bars back and front, and i also have koni adj. springs and struts and 17's with pretty good rubber. i heard that if you have most of those things the understeer wont be very noticable... its mainly on stock suspension they talk about understeer. unless thats not true, its just thats what ive been reading about the handling.

for the whole swap its going to cost me $3200 or less out the door... i have all the parts for the install, im just waiting til my next cheque to pay for the labourl... i know a garage that is will do the labour for fairly cheap.. so all and all it should come out alot cheaper then the b series...

price is the only reason i didnt go with b18c5... i like how you can get more out of the gears in that series.. but i didnt have the money to spend for that... but i also like that the h22 has alot of torque...

i have done quite a bit of research on this swap but i just want to hear of what other ppl know about this engine in an ek... if you guys have any info that will be useful for me pros or cons, please keep posting, thanks..

markpa2

I ran a 14.3, full interior, and a ****ed up clutch, SO high 13's are doable. The only con I can think of is ground clearance, Im on Neuspeed Race springs , I wouldnt go any lower.

Oh yeah defiently change the clutch before u do the swap.

imported_t_dot_SiR

some a lil bit stiffer springs (but not like super lowered) will do the job of the extra few lbs of the h vs the b... better clutch... and of course... some good tires to hold the torque when u're launching

imported_Cablerat

H weighs about 50LBS more than B16. Negligible IMO.

Proper suspension, LSD and tires will put you into the mid 13s easy. Key is knowing how to drive that car because you will spin thru third by just flooring it.

ah memories...

imported_mikepasini

if you wanna try to eliminate understeer.... LSD tranny my friend... suspension and sway bars are important... but question for you... since its an ek... do u have stock control arms? if you do, then you don't have a sway bar and you prob have a tie-bar or something like that. those other things are **** control to a full anti-sway bar set-up...

wait one more paycheck and then invest in a b-series adapter plate ($800 or so) for the H22 and put a b-series tranny on... i would go with a GSR tranny... then you can safely say... bye-bye type-rs... oohhh... and Cobalt SuperSlows... hahahhaa.... they are crap anyway... I saw some guy at Cayuga a little while back with one with the hood popped... and a bunch of ppl standing around it... there was nothing under there... just stock... wow... hahaha... anyway.

imported_loudsubz

h22 are nice...too bad there so tempremental sometimes

ADR3NLYN_EK

I was at the track last friday and there was 2 cobalts (supercharged ofcourse) and one was doing high 14's and one low 15's and if you can drive your car should be in the mid to high 14's as well...

Bryce

last time i was at cayuga there was a h22 EG running mid 13s i belive 13.4 was his best time. But he was powershifting everygear. Tien suspension and a stock motor.

CivicTypeRChic

yeah h22's have torque

But ever driven an ek with a k24 in it ??? thats torque


Anyway hustler good luck with your swap.

imported_plzbeleiveit

id say ur lucky to hit mid 14s

imported_alphaq69

my boy's jdmh22 in an eg coupe. with intake headers and camgears. stock p13 computer. pulled 180whp. and he ran a 14.07 at the track.. that was his best time. but most of his passes were 14.2 - 14.3.

with slicks you can definitely hit high 13s.. mid 13's.

imported_hustler_98

thanks guys for all the replies, i still havent put the engine in yet, between the parts and labour and me being broke its probably not going to happen til the end of the summer when i can save up enough money. the engine is just sittin in the garage waiting for me...and thats what kills me.
but keep on making comments about what you think the outcome might be, they really help me decide what i want to invest on down the road.
if you guys have any info on the best internal mods, then just post them, im looking at skunk2 cams and cam shafts. do you guys have any info on exhaust, do i have to go custom, or is there a way that i can somehow bolt up to my headers with an actual civic exhaust.
thanks alot for the all the posting, and keep on posting....

cheers., hustler