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GSR vs SH -> The Outcome!

Old 14-Jul-2005, 07:16 PM
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GSR vs SH -> The Outcome!

Something very soecial happened today, im gonna make a long story short but i asked $10,900 for my car and i was offered $10,500 and was ready to sell. Bottom line is i COULDNT let my baby go. If someone offered me $12,000 i still wouldnt sell it, wayyy too many memories with that car and when it came down to it i chickened out!

I feel so happy and releived right now that im keeping it, i was never too sure if i wanted to sell it in the first place I figure im gonna get another honda, its gonna be stock AND i have to add more money for it...id be losing way too much, plus insurance would be more.

So i decided to keep it and do a swap (finally), i wanna do this swap ASAP. What does everyone suggest? Im thinking GSR motor? Keeping in mind the motor will be stock, all i plan on getting is a cat-back exhaust...(or gsr exhaust)

Also can someone give me some info, somoene who's done a swap, what are the most common problems that occur after doing it? Or are they problem free and reliable usually? I mean my engine has never given me any problems at all after 130,000km but its just slowwww...

thatx for the help guys...
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 07:18 PM
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well good choice man,

you wil awyas love the car u first had or viceversa.
my car i loved was a Neon
98 2dr Neon 2.0L dohc man i miss it.. it was quick, i had mototer work too!

but my SIR is quicker
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 07:34 PM
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If I was you, I'd research and do a K series swap. A stock B series in an EK will be slow. Granted it will feel faster than your sohc, but it is basically a stock swap when compared to a 99-00 sir. With the work involved, you might as well go big or just stay with your SOHC.
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prolly the best choice for you man, good luck with whatever you do in the future
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 08:57 PM
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Congrats on the decision man

As for the swap, depends how much your looking to spend.
But I would recommend the b18c5, you won't have any problems with it at all.

Best of luck
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 09:38 PM
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Good choice!

As for swapping, you're obvisiously doing it for power, but want reliability as well. That being said, I'd go N/A versus Turbo, because running turbo requires more tinkering/tuning.

I'm sold on a B20 non vtec for daily driven vehicles. They have great down low power...where you want it. It depends how much power you want...lol.

Or if you want VTEC, then go B18c5.

K series swaps are really expensive, but you get a lot of power, so you'll have to do some research on them.

Swaps are problem free, based on who installs them, and where the motor/tranny was from.
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b18b with turbo

swap = 2400
turbo = 2500 - 3500 (custom/basic setup)

5000-6000 = 230-300 whp with LOTS of torque..

typr r swap 5000-5500 = 180 whp plus very little torque

BUT..since u want a simple swap... b20z is the most rational choice.....
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 10:22 PM
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H22A, good hp and torque for a Honda.
Not as bad as everyone claims it is.
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 10:43 PM
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h22 = oil burner
cant lower the car that much
gotta hack up the subflooring a bit
lose a/c

and the torque is only about 150 ish..

a turbo d series got more torque than that....
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 11:01 PM
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that's good you stayed with your civic....anyways, K-Series are too much money unless you dont' give a sihit, get somthing just under that like a B18c5
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The B18C5...is that the GSR motor?

170 hp correct?
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by ADR3NLYN_EK
The B18C5...is that the GSR motor?

170 hp correct?
B18c5 is the Teg Type-R if my calculations are correct

Engine Code:
B18C5

1.8L DOHC VTEC

Car: JDM Integra Type-R (ITR)

Year: 97 - 01

Displacement: 1.8L

Horse Power / Torque:
197hp / 134lb-ft.

dont' get me wrong, this motor is still expensive but a cheaper then the K20's
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Originally posted by EL_CIVIC
h22 = oil burner
cant lower the car that much
gotta hack up the subflooring a bit
lose a/c

and the torque is only about 150 ish..

a turbo d series got more torque than that....
You have absolutely no idea what the hell your talking about...Can't lower that much?, lose a/c? ( I know eg's with power steering and a/c with h22a's..Stop feeding dumbass information.
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by Zyepher


You have absolutely no idea what the hell your talking about...Can't lower that much?, lose a/c? ( I know eg's with power steering and a/c with h22a's..Stop feeding dumbass information.
He has an ek not an eg..... he is right the ground clearance is reduced ....thats why most people get custom headers...check honda-tech...they have a huge faq about the h22 swap.
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Old 14-Jul-2005, 11:32 PM
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Re: GSR vs SH -> The Outcome!

Originally posted by ADR3NLYN_EK
Something very soecial happened today, im gonna make a long story short but i asked $10,900 for my car and i was offered $10,500 and was ready to sell. Bottom line is i COULDNT let my baby go. If someone offered me $12,000 i still wouldnt sell it, wayyy too many memories with that car and when it came down to it i chickened out!

I feel so happy and releived right now that im keeping it, i was never too sure if i wanted to sell it in the first place I figure im gonna get another honda, its gonna be stock AND i have to add more money for it...id be losing way too much, plus insurance would be more.

So i decided to keep it and do a swap (finally), i wanna do this swap ASAP. What does everyone suggest? Im thinking GSR motor? Keeping in mind the motor will be stock, all i plan on getting is a cat-back exhaust...(or gsr exhaust)

Also can someone give me some info, somoene who's done a swap, what are the most common problems that occur after doing it? Or are they problem free and reliable usually? I mean my engine has never given me any problems at all after 130,000km but its just slowwww...

thatx for the help guys...
How much are u looking to spend....u really should start there.
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Originally posted by markpa

He has an ek not an eg..... he is right the ground clearance is reduced ....thats why most people get custom headers...check honda-tech...they have a huge faq about the h22 swap.
there has already been tons of topics about all this bs, no need to start another one
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Originally posted by Younes Si


there has already been tons of topics about all this bs, no need to start another one
Im not trying to start anything...im just trying to point him in a good direction....theres a lot more information about the h22 swap on hondatech, then on here.
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http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=650329

Theres the link....lots of info.. pics...etc.
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H22A which is 195-200bhp and 161 torque...heavier by abit, but unless your racing it who cares. my vote would be H22A because its got the power and torque. as for the little oil consumption, who cares as long as it is only alittle. you could even have it rebuilt cheapy while its out of the car and still 200hp...more torque and power then B18C5 at alot less money. why waste it on K series when H22A will so the job.

when/if my D16Y8 goes in my EL, i'll be looking H22A all the way. hasport has mounts available....so it shouldn't be that diffacult of a swap, but then again, neither would a B18C.
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Old 15-Jul-2005, 12:17 AM
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good decision alex, i told u from day 1 to keep your car and i kinda knew that you would be hard pressed to sell it. Anyways my advice would be to give yourself a budget and go from there.

Best swap would be a K20, the swaps arent that expensive its mostly labour and the mounts and stuff needed to do the swap correctly that add up. If your looking to do this check out www.k20a.org and do a little research. I've actually been thinking of going K since I finished my b18b swap but right now i cant afford to have my car outta commision for that long.

If you wanna spend a decent amount but not blow the bank id get a B20z engine with a GSR tranny (LSD if u got the cash). Then id grab like an exedy organic clutch with a 10lb flywheel and do I/H/E and im sure u will be more than happy.
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