Capo

people complaining has alot to do with getting harrased more than getting a ticket. If a cop sees a modded car they will stop you and hassle you about everything and still may not give you a ticket but they will waste your time (time = money) and sometimes threaten to check up on you in a week. Also with alot of laws its "up to the officers discretion" meaning if they are in a bad mood they can give u a ticket even if there isnt anything illegal with your car. Then you have to take the time to take it to court and deal with it.

imported_mugenpowered

I think his point is that there is no need to profile one more than the other. On the basis that either way the highest speed limit in Ontario is 100km/h and both cars are perfectly safe at that speed.
Speeding is not relative, it doesn't matter if doing 140 in a Civic is like doing 280 in a Porsche, or 310 in a Ferrari, or 105 in a Smart car. Either way the car should not be blamed, it should be the driver who pushes it to an illegal level of speed.

(and on another note, with extensive brake and suspension upgrades a Civic can be "built to go fast" too)

marker

Is it really getting blown out of proportion? Let's ask the latest innocent victims to be hit by a street racer. Fortunately they survived this time around, even though the racer did not.

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Stor...4-002/page.asp

imported_starboy869

Can you explain how you can get a ticket for something when nothing is illegal with your car?

Soup can exhaust on your civic?

imported_mugenpowered

If you would have read/quoted the entire paragraph in my post (rather than one sentence of it) then you would see that my point is not that the loss of innocent lives in car accidents is blown out of proportion, but that the role street racing has to play in these accidents can be blown out of proportion. There is no proof that the first accident was street racing, yet it becomes synonmous with it. The aspect of a high speed crash automatically equating street racing was what I was referring to as being blown out of proportion. I was not referring to the consequences and seriousness of incidents that actually are the result of street racing.

Nova_Dust

If you are a speeder, you will speed in anything.

marker

That first accident didn't "automatically" get equated with street racing. A multitude of evidence including first-hand witness evidence paved the way to label street racing as a suspected factor in that crash.

Yes, many people do die or get injured in accidents where street racing is not a factor, but you'll have to excuse me if I treat overt acts of driving malfeasance, such as impaired, racing, or overly aggressive driving to great extremes, as issues that need more attention given to them.

These types of driving behaviours are not simple acts of carelessness or incompetence, but wilful and overt decisions to drive in a manner known to pose unacceptabel risk to others on the road. I want the police to go after the wilfuly dangerous drivers first. We can go after the poor drivers later.

imported_WyseGuy

word. i read this article at work yesterday and there's nothing more true than that.

imported_mugenpowered

I guess we can agree to disagree on that too, because in my opinion it is best to go after the biggest problems first. To me the state of mind is not as important as it obviously is to you, in that whether the person is consciously driving in an unsafe manner (or is doing so unconsciously as a result of incompetence) it doesn't matter as much as the end result. IMO, just look at the bottom line and first address the problem that causes the most injuries and deaths (regardless of the intentions behind it), don't put it on the back burner just because it is not a conscious action.

Capo

you can get a ticket for example "being too low" if the cop feels in his discretion your car is too low even if it isnt too low that its illegal. one day you will have an experience which will make you understand, i can tell you this because i used to feel the same way.

Notorious

Good find! It was well written.

Chigga1

^^^^ true statement!!!

imported_Moe_Mentum

I don't agree that cops are pulling over modders as a cash grab, if anything we are being wrongly pulled over by means of stereotyping. I would like to believe that if I have no mods against the HTA I won't get a ticket, but this is highly untrue. Not only do I get pulled over, but I've have had to fight ridiculous tickets for improper this, and that when I know that everything on my car is legal. As much as I would like to argue this at the time of the ticket, it only makes things worse. I just shut my mouth and waste my time taking it to court and watching it get thrown out.

Back on topic, I was really impressed by this article and I do wrote him to give him some positive support.

imported_Moe_Mentum

Basically you are getting ticketed incorrectly, the ticket never holds up but the fact is you still get the ticket and have to fight it. Some of the things I've been ticketed incorrectly for are Muffler, tail lights, lowering, tint.

Cynikal.Mindset

and what do majority of "stupid" younger drivers drive? civics/golfs/neons etc which are the "targeted" vehicles...so really the cars arent being blamed, the people are...but the cars have to be driven by somebody, they dont drive themselves

xplicit r34

definitly a good read and argument

EG333

I agree with kenzie's article but whats it going to take for these idiots to stop racing on the streets.

Its these young punk idiots with their stock motors and a couple of bolt-on's that think their the fastest thing on the road, that are ruining it for everyone.

What's it going to take for these idiots to stop street racing? Another "street racing" article or how about ten more articles.

For all you young punks that don't realize it yet, I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing cause I don't think you guys will learn 'til something happens to you.

And guys...FAST AND FURIOUS IS JUST A F'N MOVIE?!?!?!

imported_alwaysoverkill

I really think its only a matter of time until insurance will completely refuse to insure a modded car and going behind their back will cause the policy to be void.

Its already very close to this now, but more and more street racing crashes and deaths means more payouts for insurance. If the family had a 250,000 life insurance policy on each person, there is 500,000, now add the cars could be another 10,000 or 20,000. Thats a large payout. now assume that family had 500,000 each life insurance, thats a 1 million dollar payout. They are already saying we won't cover modded cars...but somehow people are running around racing them, so soon they will make it illegal or void the policy all together. So if you crash, your ****ed and you could be sued for the pain and suffer, death, etc. I'd like to see these little ricers work for 20 years to pay off a debt from a lawsuit, haha. Now thats justice.

When these idiots ruin it for the rest of us, that B16 swap will become a paperweight. Its already going in that direction now and in another 5 years I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it being a reality.

This is the reason I sold my lightly modded EL and will be buying a bike. Its a fast enjoyable vehicle stock that still gets good gas mileage and is enjoyable. no hassles from cops or insurance.

imported_Moe_Mentum

Its been said before.. Street Racing will never stop. Doesn't matter how much you try to cram it into the heads of the ignorant racers. Theres no point it saying your going to eliminate it completely that's just not realisitic at all. Its going to happen even if the punishment is life! (in which case sometimes it is) If these people are dumb enough to risk their lives what makes you think they care about any kind of law?

marker

Murder and rape will never stop either, no matter how draconian the penalty.

Does that mean we should not do everything we can to stop such deliberate-chosen bad acts that can have such severe impact on innocent lives?