Ek Civic Write Off!!
14-Feb-2005, 06:35 PM
#121
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Originally posted by SiR JP
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Maybe therein60min should write to the Toronto Star? It's just a thought.
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Maybe therein60min should write to the Toronto Star? It's just a thought.
14-Feb-2005, 11:00 PM
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wow, im glad your ok. What is going to happen to the cop that did this? I feel that officers being able to type in your licence plate while driving is wrong, kind of a infringement on our rights I guess.
15-Feb-2005, 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by climax
I feel that officers being able to type in your licence plate while driving is wrong, kind of a infringement on our rights I guess.
I feel that officers being able to type in your licence plate while driving is wrong, kind of a infringement on our rights I guess.
15-Feb-2005, 01:18 AM
#124
Originally posted by SiR JP
Personally, I feel that in 10-20 years time, sport compacts will no longer get targeted (because it will be people of that scene starting to be "in charge"), but whatever it is that the kids are doing then will get targeted. It's sad.
Personally, I feel that in 10-20 years time, sport compacts will no longer get targeted (because it will be people of that scene starting to be "in charge"), but whatever it is that the kids are doing then will get targeted. It's sad.
anyone hangin onto a Civic might as well have a mullet. I'll be one of them, but the fact is, it will no longer be a 'nuisance' for society
15-Feb-2005, 01:21 AM
#125
anyone actually KNOW the point of having plates??? I mean... ??? is their sole purpose to hand out tickets? cuz in a hit and run no one ever gets the plates anyways, so what's the point?? so really... why the plates? why were they originally put into place? I mean why don't we just have #s tattoo'd on our foreheads for ID purposes
15-Feb-2005, 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
anyone actually KNOW the point of having plates??? I mean... ??? is their sole purpose to hand out tickets? cuz in a hit and run no one ever gets the plates anyways, so what's the point?? so really... why the plates? why were they originally put into place? I mean why don't we just have #s tattoo'd on our foreheads for ID purposes
anyone actually KNOW the point of having plates??? I mean... ??? is their sole purpose to hand out tickets? cuz in a hit and run no one ever gets the plates anyways, so what's the point?? so really... why the plates? why were they originally put into place? I mean why don't we just have #s tattoo'd on our foreheads for ID purposes
Duh....
By running your plate they can determine if the car is stolen. Hondas are among the most-often stolen cars out there, and those rolling license plate checks turn up a surprising number of those stolen cars.
The license check also gives info about expired validation tags, and soon will also tie into insurance company records so they will know without pulling you over if you are insured or not.
The license check can tell you if the owner of the car has a criminal record, is on parole or probation and what conditions are attached to same, is under license suspension, has arrest warrants out on him, has had previous convictions for violent offences, impaired driving, drugs, etc. That information together with the circumstances surrounding the plate check can give the cop probable cause for further investigation.
Again, a surprising number of bad guys doing bad things get turned up only because some cop did a running license plate check while out on the road.
Oh yeah, as to your thing about hit and runs, a lot of hit and runs are solved because witnesses did get at least a partial plate together with even a vague vehicle description and colour. That's all it takes to whittle down thousands of suspect cars to maybe a few dozen or less. Ditto for plate numbers associated with robberies, abductions, and yes, reckless driving.
There is no right to license plate privacy. When you're out doing your thing on public streets, you are subject to monitoring, whether by traffic cameras, red-light cams, in-cruiser video, 407-ETR cams, you name it. You're operating in a public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy, and just about any form of non-malicious surveillance, whether by police or private parties, is fair game.
15-Feb-2005, 09:35 AM
#127
oh yeah... I forgot how many complete stolen vehicles you guys recover 
sorry!! how silly my buddy's Huyndai was stolen (lol I know... huyndai) drove around for a week till it ran outta gas and HE HIMSELF found it in a Walmart parking lot days later. So for a week a reported stolen vehicle drove around with the same plates and then was ditched in an empty parking lot... yet HE had to go and discover it!!! I mean, you'd think at least a cruizer passing by would notice a SOLE vehicle in a Walmart parkinglot @ night. (He found it in the morning while biking to work).
my car got FUCT in an Ottawa transit parkinglot... I mean FUCT. $3500 worth of damage. you think anyone noticed who hit it?? my bro's brand new Jetta... new years eve DOWNTOWN - cops on every corner. The car was parked downtown on a street with significant pedestrian traffic... $5500 worth of front end damage - the car wasn't even driveable. think anyone got the plate, even all the cops that were around?
So wanna try + tell me again.... really what are plates for?? I think more THIEVES use plates to steal cars than police do to recover them (unless they are dropped off as a shell right in front of your nose).
sorry!! how silly my buddy's Huyndai was stolen (lol I know... huyndai) drove around for a week till it ran outta gas and HE HIMSELF found it in a Walmart parking lot days later. So for a week a reported stolen vehicle drove around with the same plates and then was ditched in an empty parking lot... yet HE had to go and discover it!!! I mean, you'd think at least a cruizer passing by would notice a SOLE vehicle in a Walmart parkinglot @ night. (He found it in the morning while biking to work).my car got FUCT in an Ottawa transit parkinglot... I mean FUCT. $3500 worth of damage. you think anyone noticed who hit it?? my bro's brand new Jetta... new years eve DOWNTOWN - cops on every corner. The car was parked downtown on a street with significant pedestrian traffic... $5500 worth of front end damage - the car wasn't even driveable. think anyone got the plate, even all the cops that were around?
So wanna try + tell me again.... really what are plates for?? I think more THIEVES use plates to steal cars than police do to recover them (unless they are dropped off as a shell right in front of your nose).
15-Feb-2005, 09:41 AM
#128
oh... and exactly how many 'bad guys doing bad things' happen to be mid 20s black guys driving silver SiG coupes 
LOL poor Alex, he's been harassed at least like 5 times... or whatever... what I'm saying is how many criminals drive around in modified Civics?? we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.
what we DO do... is work hard at whatever job we have, collect our paycheque, pay our taxes, pay our bills, pay our mortgage, and whatever he happen to have left, instead of buying clothes alcohol drugs and hoes... we buy car parts. at least most of us.
LOL poor Alex, he's been harassed at least like 5 times... or whatever... what I'm saying is how many criminals drive around in modified Civics?? we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.what we DO do... is work hard at whatever job we have, collect our paycheque, pay our taxes, pay our bills, pay our mortgage, and whatever he happen to have left, instead of buying clothes alcohol drugs and hoes... we buy car parts. at least most of us.
15-Feb-2005, 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.
we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.
15-Feb-2005, 09:51 AM
#130
Originally posted by EL_CIVIC
I agree with barbullo on this one..
if they had the chance to screw us over they would....not like they havent already...
I agree with barbullo on this one..
if they had the chance to screw us over they would....not like they havent already...
now, trying to fight to get everything this guy is worth... yeah it may be a dirty thing to do, but that's how WE get treated already. his actions won't make things any worse for us... and the opposite won't make it any better certainly!!! so then to maximize our collective utility as a Civic crowd, gonein60minutes must fight to get everything!! EVERYTHING he can. In this case, it's not a zero sum game. the unfortunate thing is, the police have created these negative circumstances that actually lead to the incentive to do the dirty thing instead of the right thing. I simple economic analysis in this case clearly shows what needs to be done, and whose fault it is.
15-Feb-2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
oh... and exactly how many 'bad guys doing bad things' happen to be mid 20s black guys driving silver SiG coupes LOL poor Alex, he's been harassed at least like 5 times... or whatever... what I'm saying is how many criminals drive around in modified Civics?? we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.
what we DO do... is work hard at whatever job we have, collect our paycheque, pay our taxes, pay our bills, pay our mortgage, and whatever he happen to have left, instead of buying clothes alcohol drugs and hoes... we buy car parts. at least most of us.
oh... and exactly how many 'bad guys doing bad things' happen to be mid 20s black guys driving silver SiG coupes
LOL poor Alex, he's been harassed at least like 5 times... or whatever... what I'm saying is how many criminals drive around in modified Civics?? we don't exactly live the 2F&2F life man... we don't build cars by day and go attack truckers by night... and street race on the weekends.what we DO do... is work hard at whatever job we have, collect our paycheque, pay our taxes, pay our bills, pay our mortgage, and whatever he happen to have left, instead of buying clothes alcohol drugs and hoes... we buy car parts. at least most of us.
hahah thats hilarious. the funny thing is, thats probably what all the cops see you know? they just watch tv and get all "oh ****, i seen guys like this on the road! lets be a hero tommorow!" u know? hahaha jokes tho! i hate the fast and furious with a passion!!!
15-Feb-2005, 10:22 AM
#132
true!! you know... it was actually true for like 2 years that most modded cars were funded with growhouse money. now most of these guys are in their mid 20s and push lexuses and bmws and whatnot... also big trucks or SUVs on 22 or 24 inch wheels... that's the drug money nowadays... there is no more of these mooks in the import scene thank god!
15-Feb-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by motti
Duh....
By running your plate they can determine if the car is stolen. Hondas are among the most-often stolen cars out there, and those rolling license plate checks turn up a surprising number of those stolen cars.
The license check also gives info about expired validation tags, and soon will also tie into insurance company records so they will know without pulling you over if you are insured or not.
The license check can tell you if the owner of the car has a criminal record, is on parole or probation and what conditions are attached to same, is under license suspension, has arrest warrants out on him, has had previous convictions for violent offences, impaired driving, drugs, etc. That information together with the circumstances surrounding the plate check can give the cop probable cause for further investigation.
Again, a surprising number of bad guys doing bad things get turned up only because some cop did a running license plate check while out on the road.
Oh yeah, as to your thing about hit and runs, a lot of hit and runs are solved because witnesses did get at least a partial plate together with even a vague vehicle description and colour. That's all it takes to whittle down thousands of suspect cars to maybe a few dozen or less. Ditto for plate numbers associated with robberies, abductions, and yes, reckless driving.
There is no right to license plate privacy. When you're out doing your thing on public streets, you are subject to monitoring, whether by traffic cameras, red-light cams, in-cruiser video, 407-ETR cams, you name it. You're operating in a public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy, and just about any form of non-malicious surveillance, whether by police or private parties, is fair game.
Duh....
By running your plate they can determine if the car is stolen. Hondas are among the most-often stolen cars out there, and those rolling license plate checks turn up a surprising number of those stolen cars.
The license check also gives info about expired validation tags, and soon will also tie into insurance company records so they will know without pulling you over if you are insured or not.
The license check can tell you if the owner of the car has a criminal record, is on parole or probation and what conditions are attached to same, is under license suspension, has arrest warrants out on him, has had previous convictions for violent offences, impaired driving, drugs, etc. That information together with the circumstances surrounding the plate check can give the cop probable cause for further investigation.
Again, a surprising number of bad guys doing bad things get turned up only because some cop did a running license plate check while out on the road.
Oh yeah, as to your thing about hit and runs, a lot of hit and runs are solved because witnesses did get at least a partial plate together with even a vague vehicle description and colour. That's all it takes to whittle down thousands of suspect cars to maybe a few dozen or less. Ditto for plate numbers associated with robberies, abductions, and yes, reckless driving.
There is no right to license plate privacy. When you're out doing your thing on public streets, you are subject to monitoring, whether by traffic cameras, red-light cams, in-cruiser video, 407-ETR cams, you name it. You're operating in a public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy, and just about any form of non-malicious surveillance, whether by police or private parties, is fair game.
Plates serve a higher purpose then just to ticket.
There's more "people" then cops in some cases/Regions. Cops can't always be doin what you want them to do. . .sometimes there are more important things. If society was half decent we wouldn't need constant policing etc. . .
Ppl need to get lives go to work make a proper living without stealing etc. . . Lead happy lives = less accidents/road rage etc. .
15-Feb-2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
no ****... in 10 years there WILL be no more compacts. the scene is coming to an end man
no ****... in 10 years there WILL be no more compacts. the scene is coming to an end man
Originally posted by bbarbulo
anyone hangin onto a Civic might as well have a mullet. I'll be one of them, but the fact is, it will no longer be a 'nuisance' for society
anyone hangin onto a Civic might as well have a mullet. I'll be one of them, but the fact is, it will no longer be a 'nuisance' for society
Originally posted by bbarbulo
now, trying to fight to get everything this guy is worth... yeah it may be a dirty thing to do, but that's how WE get treated already. his actions won't make things any worse for us... and the opposite won't make it any better certainly!!! so then to maximize our collective utility as a Civic crowd, gonein60minutes must fight to get everything!! EVERYTHING he can. In this case, it's not a zero sum game. the unfortunate thing is, the police have created these negative circumstances that actually lead to the incentive to do the dirty thing instead of the right thing. I simple economic analysis in this case clearly shows what needs to be done, and whose fault it is.
now, trying to fight to get everything this guy is worth... yeah it may be a dirty thing to do, but that's how WE get treated already. his actions won't make things any worse for us... and the opposite won't make it any better certainly!!! so then to maximize our collective utility as a Civic crowd, gonein60minutes must fight to get everything!! EVERYTHING he can. In this case, it's not a zero sum game. the unfortunate thing is, the police have created these negative circumstances that actually lead to the incentive to do the dirty thing instead of the right thing. I simple economic analysis in this case clearly shows what needs to be done, and whose fault it is.
15-Feb-2005, 11:44 AM
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wowo sorry to here about that
15-Feb-2005, 01:03 PM
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The only reason I said that cops being able to type in your licence plate while your driving is bad because all your personal infomation comes up and they can pull you over because you have a record. They may have no reason at that time to pull you over but see your infomation and then they pull you over just to check. Is that fair? I mean most cops probally would not do that but some will and I feel that is against my rights. Please note that I do not have a criminal record
Anyway I hope Therein60mins is ok and that he can recover and move on from this.
Anyway I hope Therein60mins is ok and that he can recover and move on from this.
15-Feb-2005, 02:04 PM
#137
Originally posted by ~ILLEST CIV~
Plates serve a higher purpose then just to ticket.
There's more "people" then cops in some cases/Regions. Cops can't always be doin what you want them to do. . .sometimes there are more important things.
Plates serve a higher purpose then just to ticket.
There's more "people" then cops in some cases/Regions. Cops can't always be doin what you want them to do. . .sometimes there are more important things.
Jean-P:
yeah, I think we're saying the same thing... I mean by the 'coming to an end' comment, is the real market hype is gone I think. Slowly companies like OBX, Ractive, etc... will prolly start closing down cuz the clueless ppl are leaving the sport. The remaining core ppl wouldn't dream of buying crap like that. So yeah, WE will stay in it... but the ppl who are actual nuisences will leave pretty soon as the cars get older. The remaining core will be the responsible ppl who actually keep their car in tune and PASS emissions and take their racing to the track. So yeah... the enthusiast environment will become more favourable. As for the mullet... yeah... just like we view guys with late 70s and early 80s Camaros
haha... remember when that was THE gino car to have... like Civic is THE gino car to have now... that's the parallel I was drawing. 
15-Feb-2005, 02:19 PM
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BB you should apply for some public policy...or some kinda legislative rule makin job. . lol
i like that idea
i like that idea
should you manage to recover stolen goods, the insurance co of the victimized party should pay the police 50% of what the claim would have cost them. So... they save, cops have revenue... thieves get corporal punishment... everyone is happy and jails aren't overcrowded.
15-Feb-2005, 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
The remaining core will be the responsible ppl who actually keep their car in tune and PASS emissions and take their racing to the track. So yeah... the enthusiast environment will become more favourable. As for the mullet... yeah... just like we view guys with late 70s and early 80s Camaros haha... remember when that was THE gino car to have... like Civic is THE gino car to have now... that's the parallel I was drawing.
The remaining core will be the responsible ppl who actually keep their car in tune and PASS emissions and take their racing to the track. So yeah... the enthusiast environment will become more favourable. As for the mullet... yeah... just like we view guys with late 70s and early 80s Camaros
haha... remember when that was THE gino car to have... like Civic is THE gino car to have now... that's the parallel I was drawing.
16-Feb-2005, 11:09 AM
#140
Originally posted by ~ILLEST CIV~
BB you should apply for some public policy...or some kinda legislative rule makin job. . lol
i like that idea
BB you should apply for some public policy...or some kinda legislative rule makin job. . lol
i like that idea
and we'll have the most stable currency in the world. haha and DAMN IT my police force WILL fight crime instead of traffic infractions LOL... maybe I'll buy Hawaii
