DSM> Is it worth it?
20-Apr-2003, 07:23 PM
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DSM> Is it worth it?
What I want to know is WHY they have a bad rep for being unreliable, shitty cars.
I dont want to post on a dsm forum because of bias opnions.
Im considering to buy a AWD Turbo DSM and build a 400hp daily drivin car.
Are these cars worth it?
I dont want to post on a dsm forum because of bias opnions.
Im considering to buy a AWD Turbo DSM and build a 400hp daily drivin car.
Are these cars worth it?
20-Apr-2003, 09:58 PM
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i'd say no....not worth it..every one thinks they are the **** since they are turbo'd...i mean stock it only does high 16's.....nothing special sure u can make stupid power out of them and they do have AWD...but from my experiences and what i hear a lot the motors are garbage DSM made some crap motors...i'd stick to honda..for the money u can make something very impressive
21-Apr-2003, 08:16 AM
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I find it hard to believe that a stock TSI runs high 16's. My first time at the track, my 92 civic si with intake only ran 16.1, with a 1.286 reaction time. I know that next week I'll be running high 15's with a better reaction time. So my N/A 119hp civic <According the my G-Tech> is faster them a 200hp AWD Talon. I just drove a 91 TSI on Thursday and it was bone stock, and would somke my civic. I love my civic, but, theres no way I could be the TSI. TSI has to be running 15's easy.
21-Apr-2003, 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Quick_CX
i'd say no....not worth it..every one thinks they are the **** since they are turbo'd...i mean stock it only does high 16's.....nothing special sure u can make stupid power out of them and they do have AWD...but from my experiences and what i hear a lot the motors are garbage DSM made some crap motors...i'd stick to honda..for the money u can make something very impressive
i'd say no....not worth it..every one thinks they are the **** since they are turbo'd...i mean stock it only does high 16's.....nothing special sure u can make stupid power out of them and they do have AWD...but from my experiences and what i hear a lot the motors are garbage DSM made some crap motors...i'd stick to honda..for the money u can make something very impressive
If you want good information,,, post on the local DSM board.
www.ca.dsm.org
It is reliable if you dont beat on it everyday. When I finish school, Im definately going back to the DSM world.
Hit me up warlord100@hotmail.com if you have any questions.
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21-Apr-2003, 02:32 PM
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I agree with Torrey. The money that Honda people put into their hondas to ru high 14s, you put in a DSM and boom, low 13s, high 14s. DSMs are AMAZING cars. Sure, the 2nd gen are known for crankwalk, so buy a 1st gen DSM. You can run 16 PSI on a stock motor. They are some of the nicest CHEAPEST cars ever. Not on insurence maybe but they are bad ***. I'm going to own a DSM most likely for my first car, pending on insurence. I'll buy one with a blown timing belt and fix it with my bro and boom have a sweet *** car. Fast as hell too. I love DSMs, The interior is amazingly better than a civic (no offence) They are really cheap and you just cant abuse it as much as a honda. My brother has a h22a honda accord and he beats the living hell outta it. My other brother has a TSI FWD and one AWD. He doesn't beat on them he babies it but he just loves it too much thats all.
Also Quick_CX, the 4g63 is NOT garbage. You can tweek those bad boys WITHOUT spending money, just spending some time and you will run low 14s GARENTEED! And for the money that you'd dump into a Civic to make it fast compared to a DSM is pointless. You can make a 400 WHP TSI for about 5-6 Grand, Show me when you can do that with your civic man. No harm intended but thats reliality.
- Jacob
Also Quick_CX, the 4g63 is NOT garbage. You can tweek those bad boys WITHOUT spending money, just spending some time and you will run low 14s GARENTEED! And for the money that you'd dump into a Civic to make it fast compared to a DSM is pointless. You can make a 400 WHP TSI for about 5-6 Grand, Show me when you can do that with your civic man. No harm intended but thats reliality.
- Jacob
21-Apr-2003, 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by Jacob
I agree with Torrey. The money that Honda people put into their hondas to ru high 14s, you put in a DSM and boom, low 13s, high 14s. DSMs are AMAZING cars. Sure, the 2nd gen are known for crankwalk, so buy a 1st gen DSM. You can run 16 PSI on a stock motor. They are some of the nicest CHEAPEST cars ever. Not on insurence maybe but they are bad ***. I'm going to own a DSM most likely for my first car, pending on insurence. I'll buy one with a blown timing belt and fix it with my bro and boom have a sweet *** car. Fast as hell too. I love DSMs, The interior is amazingly better than a civic (no offence) They are really cheap and you just cant abuse it as much as a honda. My brother has a h22a honda accord and he beats the living hell outta it. My other brother has a TSI FWD and one AWD. He doesn't beat on them he babies it but he just loves it too much thats all.
Also Quick_CX, the 4g63 is NOT garbage. You can tweek those bad boys WITHOUT spending money, just spending some time and you will run low 14s GARENTEED! And for the money that you'd dump into a Civic to make it fast compared to a DSM is pointless. You can make a 400 WHP TSI for about 5-6 Grand, Show me when you can do that with your civic man. No harm intended but thats reliality.
- Jacob
I agree with Torrey. The money that Honda people put into their hondas to ru high 14s, you put in a DSM and boom, low 13s, high 14s. DSMs are AMAZING cars. Sure, the 2nd gen are known for crankwalk, so buy a 1st gen DSM. You can run 16 PSI on a stock motor. They are some of the nicest CHEAPEST cars ever. Not on insurence maybe but they are bad ***. I'm going to own a DSM most likely for my first car, pending on insurence. I'll buy one with a blown timing belt and fix it with my bro and boom have a sweet *** car. Fast as hell too. I love DSMs, The interior is amazingly better than a civic (no offence) They are really cheap and you just cant abuse it as much as a honda. My brother has a h22a honda accord and he beats the living hell outta it. My other brother has a TSI FWD and one AWD. He doesn't beat on them he babies it but he just loves it too much thats all.
Also Quick_CX, the 4g63 is NOT garbage. You can tweek those bad boys WITHOUT spending money, just spending some time and you will run low 14s GARENTEED! And for the money that you'd dump into a Civic to make it fast compared to a DSM is pointless. You can make a 400 WHP TSI for about 5-6 Grand, Show me when you can do that with your civic man. No harm intended but thats reliality.
- Jacob
Anyways,,, about the trannys,,, I know of a guy who has a 97 TSI AWD,,,, I think hes pushing 550whp no nos, and he is on his stock tranny.... So there you go. If you're really scared of crankwalk... bolt on a huge turbo to the 2g, when it blows, replace it with a 1g block. No more crankwalk.
www.magnusmotorsports.com
If you want to do up a DSM and have lots of money,,, go there.
Its too bad that these cars have a bad rep with some people,,, once your into them, you'll soon realize that they are quite reliable.
21-Apr-2003, 02:42 PM
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Yeah im Pete's brother and i so really want a civic 
. My other brother with the h22a accord was thinking about sellling his car and building a DSM but he loves his car too much he said to sell it.
- Jacob
. My other brother with the h22a accord was thinking about sellling his car and building a DSM but he loves his car too much he said to sell it.- Jacob
21-Apr-2003, 02:42 PM
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BTW
if anyone wants proof of a stock DSM on the 1/4 mile.. I have a video of my friend's 91 talon tsi awd (he just sold it).
He was racing a turbo'd GSR.... my friend ran 14.0,,, turbo GSR ran 14.8.
Its a very clear video too,,, add me to msn if u wanna see it.
warlord100@hotmail.com
if anyone wants proof of a stock DSM on the 1/4 mile.. I have a video of my friend's 91 talon tsi awd (he just sold it).
He was racing a turbo'd GSR.... my friend ran 14.0,,, turbo GSR ran 14.8.
Its a very clear video too,,, add me to msn if u wanna see it.
warlord100@hotmail.com
21-Apr-2003, 05:24 PM
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correct me if i am wrong...well gsx eclipse's ran 15.3 in the quarter and they are the same car pretty much if my knowledge serves me right...as a talon tsi awd...what 50$ mod can u do will put u in low 14's??? i'd like the hear this
21-Apr-2003, 11:33 PM
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4g63 is a wicked engine. The trannys tend to have problems because they can't put up with a power and abuse, dumping the clutch at 5000rpm will kill any tranny in time.
Personally I have to agree with some people, you have to spend a hell of a lot of money to get Civics to go fast. That same money spent on another car and your fast. Personally, I view it dumb to waste MY money on a Civic. If you want to, fine but not me. That's why I'm selling my car.
Personally I have to agree with some people, you have to spend a hell of a lot of money to get Civics to go fast. That same money spent on another car and your fast. Personally, I view it dumb to waste MY money on a Civic. If you want to, fine but not me. That's why I'm selling my car.
22-Apr-2003, 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Quick_CX
correct me if i am wrong...well gsx eclipse's ran 15.3 in the quarter and they are the same car pretty much if my knowledge serves me right...as a talon tsi awd...what 50$ mod can u do will put u in low 14's??? i'd like the hear this
correct me if i am wrong...well gsx eclipse's ran 15.3 in the quarter and they are the same car pretty much if my knowledge serves me right...as a talon tsi awd...what 50$ mod can u do will put u in low 14's??? i'd like the hear this
Boost controller ($15 bux in parts)
Fuel Pump Rewire
Dump Tube Mod
There ya go.....
07-Nov-2003, 10:57 PM
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basically the stock air can is very restrictive you can remove the cover to expose the stock cone filter.
do some home porting on the turbo and turbo manifold for faster turbo spool.
bcs-boost control solenoid- there is a little piece to remove that will add 1psi of boost
. overall you can just up the boost with a homemade boost controller from 10psi stock to 15psi,
all in all should cost under $50 including buying brass fittings for the boost controller and grinded bits for porting.
this will put a stock dsm with a good running engine in the low 14's
do some home porting on the turbo and turbo manifold for faster turbo spool.
bcs-boost control solenoid- there is a little piece to remove that will add 1psi of boost
. overall you can just up the boost with a homemade boost controller from 10psi stock to 15psi,
all in all should cost under $50 including buying brass fittings for the boost controller and grinded bits for porting.
this will put a stock dsm with a good running engine in the low 14's
