"Crack Down On Street Racers"
13-Apr-2007, 11:47 AM
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I was under the impression this was a discussion thread, not a argument. So dont talk about my self control. I stated at the begining i dont support organized street racing. I am not some little punk kid, that jumped on this thread saying " street racing is cool". I made a observation, this is a discussion thread, the place to do it. Read my entire thread before u talk sauce. Once again i will state, i do not support street racing, but i also realize there is two sides to every coin, Meaning, in one way or another, almost everyone who enjoys modding there car for speed, will race on the street, in one way or another, they just might not think what they are doing is considered street racing, even though it is in the eyes of the law. Like i said, my comments were not made to begin a argument. By all means, state your constuctive comments, but please write more then just " your wrong ", like i said this is a discussion, so we can have different views, and it ok.
13-Apr-2007, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Paolo
I was under the impression this was a discussion thread, not a argument. So dont talk about my self control. I stated at the begining i dont support organized street racing. I am not some little punk kid, that jumped on this thread saying " street racing is cool". I made a observation, this is a discussion thread, the place to do it. Read my entire thread before u talk sauce. Once again i will state, i do not support street racing, but i also realize there is two sides to every coin, Meaning, in one way or another, almost everyone who enjoys modding there car for speed, will race on the street, in one way or another, they just might not think what they are doing is considered street racing, even though it is in the eyes of the law. Like i said, my comments were not made to begin a argument. By all means, state your constuctive comments, but please write more then just " your wrong ", like i said this is a discussion, so we can have different views, and it ok.
I was under the impression this was a discussion thread, not a argument. So dont talk about my self control. I stated at the begining i dont support organized street racing. I am not some little punk kid, that jumped on this thread saying " street racing is cool". I made a observation, this is a discussion thread, the place to do it. Read my entire thread before u talk sauce. Once again i will state, i do not support street racing, but i also realize there is two sides to every coin, Meaning, in one way or another, almost everyone who enjoys modding there car for speed, will race on the street, in one way or another, they just might not think what they are doing is considered street racing, even though it is in the eyes of the law. Like i said, my comments were not made to begin a argument. By all means, state your constuctive comments, but please write more then just " your wrong ", like i said this is a discussion, so we can have different views, and it ok.
I do enjoy racing I legally race in Autoslalom events around the country, and never on the street. I'm part of the group you've made above.. I take offense to you saying that because I'm part of the population that mods their car I must also be part of the population that street races and thats just plain unfair. I also know many others that woudl fall into this group that would take offense to being told by you that since they belong to the group that mods their car they must also belong to the group that street races.
maybe you have just been hanging around the wrong crowd within this group that mods their cars.
by the way you are wrong for generalizing a whole group. it's like saying everyone wirth a honda civic must be asian or all white people from down south are red necks... it's offensive.
and since this is discussion I'll state I'm discussing the validity of your claims .. I didn't want to have to type all of this since I'm busy. but you couldn't wrap your mind around a simple post stating "your wrong" so I figure I'll expand it. what you have in this case is faulty logic. I'm trying to correct that.
13-Apr-2007, 12:34 PM
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First of all, i appreciate the fact u put some writing down, explaining another view. Second of all, the short answer comment wasnt intended for you, it was just in general, not to anyone in particular. The point was, if people are going to make a comment, explain it, if people dont like my comment thats fine, but atleast i tryed to explain it. Third of all, dont be a clown, dont try to talk down to me, with ur smug internet tough remarks, like " i cant wrap my mind around it". Im very intelligent, and i have not made a rude comment to anyone, which shows my personality. So i dont expect to be disrespected by anyone, because i am not attacking people. My original comment was not made to take a shot at anyone, i was just stating that most people speed on the street, which is still dangerous, and most people race on the street, and dont consider what there doing street racing. Like i said, even just going over the speed limit, is still considered dangerous, and if its with another car its still considered racing. Alot of people do it, just wont admit there doing something wrong. Thats was the point of my threads.
13-Apr-2007, 12:41 PM
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thats why going over the speed limit carries fines that get progressive worse as you go more and more over the limit .. because it is dangerous ...
street racing is simple to define: a person operating a motor vehicle is attempting to go faster or get ahead of another vehicle on a public highway or right of way..
it doesn't matter if you are trying to get ahead of them because you feel the need to... it doesn't matter if it's organized or light to light... hell you might just be trying to get ahead of them so that you can get in front of them to make a turn up ahead. thats all street racing in my opinion.
and yes I apologize for my comments before.
street racing is simple to define: a person operating a motor vehicle is attempting to go faster or get ahead of another vehicle on a public highway or right of way..
it doesn't matter if you are trying to get ahead of them because you feel the need to... it doesn't matter if it's organized or light to light... hell you might just be trying to get ahead of them so that you can get in front of them to make a turn up ahead. thats all street racing in my opinion.
and yes I apologize for my comments before.
13-Apr-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Paolo
This is not intented to start a argument or anything, so here it goes. honda1b6a, u said street racing is for pussies, what do u define as street racing. Guys who go into the back roads and organize races. How about when ur at a set of lights driving home, and u go light to light with some guy, no ones around, just 0-100, is that street racing. Because if u or anyone else defines that light to light street racing, u guys are full of ****. Everyone would do that race, and its still dangerous. Ur going to have a boosted car soon, so ur saying if u had a chance on the street to go light to light with a vette u wouldnt do it, because everyone who boosts or does engine work would do it. And that is still considered street racing in the eyes of the law. I support going to the track a 100%, and by no means am i supporting organized street racing. I just know everyone with anything done to there car, will race on the street or highway if given the chance.
This is not intented to start a argument or anything, so here it goes. honda1b6a, u said street racing is for pussies, what do u define as street racing. Guys who go into the back roads and organize races. How about when ur at a set of lights driving home, and u go light to light with some guy, no ones around, just 0-100, is that street racing. Because if u or anyone else defines that light to light street racing, u guys are full of ****. Everyone would do that race, and its still dangerous. Ur going to have a boosted car soon, so ur saying if u had a chance on the street to go light to light with a vette u wouldnt do it, because everyone who boosts or does engine work would do it. And that is still considered street racing in the eyes of the law. I support going to the track a 100%, and by no means am i supporting organized street racing. I just know everyone with anything done to there car, will race on the street or highway if given the chance.
thanks for coming out though
13-Apr-2007, 01:08 PM
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Ok, constructive arguments
let's see
what about people who do it out of a passion of working on cars?
what about people who are grown and have families and kids and it's just a hobby to them?
you're basically saying that if you were a cop and you saw a done up car you would discriminate against them and pull them over for suspicion of street racing. that's a little unfair, don't you think?
Not everyone out there is a speed freak. Not everyone does **** to their cars because they plan on racing. Some people do it because they simply enjoy it.
What's hard to understand about that?
let's see
what about people who do it out of a passion of working on cars?
what about people who are grown and have families and kids and it's just a hobby to them?
you're basically saying that if you were a cop and you saw a done up car you would discriminate against them and pull them over for suspicion of street racing. that's a little unfair, don't you think?
Not everyone out there is a speed freak. Not everyone does **** to their cars because they plan on racing. Some people do it because they simply enjoy it.
What's hard to understand about that?
13-Apr-2007, 02:34 PM
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gatherer, i didnt mean to come across bad either , i just dont appreciate people talking rude for no reason. So well leave it at that, no harm no foul. I understand your point man, but no one is understanding mine. I dont mean to come across as saying everyone who moddifys there car races. I was saying there are alot of people who do modify there car who enjoy to play around on the street. Further more, the point wasn't to argue what type of people are doing it, or stereo type anyone. The point was just to say, alot of guys play around on the street, but think just because there not doing it in a organized street race, that there doing nothing wrong. And Shlammed, i dont know what ur even talking about," if i was a cop i would think that everone with a modified car is racing". That wasnt my point at all. Its reality man, most people with modds mess around on the street, some more then others, but still the same they do. You guys can get mad all you want, but i havent said anything wrong, and for the most part, i dont think people are fulling reading what i have written. Like i said, which brought this whole thing about, alot of people mess around on the street, and think they are doing nothing wrong, just becasue its not a organized race, but its all the same thing in the eyes of the law. My point was they have no reason to judge anyone. Not everyone is a speed freak, ur right, and not everyone does there car up to prove themselves. Let me correct my begining statement, not everyone would do it, but 90% would, and they dont admit to it, and that was the reason for my original post.
13-Apr-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Paolo
gatherer, i didnt mean to come across bad either , i just dont appreciate people talking rude for no reason. So well leave it at that, no harm no foul. I understand your point man, but no one is understanding mine. I dont mean to come across as saying everyone who moddifys there car races. I was saying there are alot of people who do modify there car who enjoy to play around on the street. Further more, the point wasn't to argue what type of people are doing it, or stereo type anyone. The point was just to say, alot of guys play around on the street, but think just because there not doing it in a organized street race, that there doing nothing wrong. And Shlammed, i dont know what ur even talking about," if i was a cop i would think that everone with a modified car is racing". That wasnt my point at all. Its reality man, most people with modds mess around on the street, some more then others, but still the same they do. You guys can get mad all you want, but i havent said anything wrong, and for the most part, i dont think people are fulling reading what i have written. Like i said, which brought this whole thing about, alot of people mess around on the street, and think they are doing nothing wrong, just becasue its not a organized race, but its all the same thing in the eyes of the law. My point was they have no reason to judge anyone. Not everyone is a speed freak, ur right, and not everyone does there car up to prove themselves. Let me correct my begining statement, not everyone would do it, but 90% would, and they dont admit to it, and that was the reason for my original post.
gatherer, i didnt mean to come across bad either , i just dont appreciate people talking rude for no reason. So well leave it at that, no harm no foul. I understand your point man, but no one is understanding mine. I dont mean to come across as saying everyone who moddifys there car races. I was saying there are alot of people who do modify there car who enjoy to play around on the street. Further more, the point wasn't to argue what type of people are doing it, or stereo type anyone. The point was just to say, alot of guys play around on the street, but think just because there not doing it in a organized street race, that there doing nothing wrong. And Shlammed, i dont know what ur even talking about," if i was a cop i would think that everone with a modified car is racing". That wasnt my point at all. Its reality man, most people with modds mess around on the street, some more then others, but still the same they do. You guys can get mad all you want, but i havent said anything wrong, and for the most part, i dont think people are fulling reading what i have written. Like i said, which brought this whole thing about, alot of people mess around on the street, and think they are doing nothing wrong, just becasue its not a organized race, but its all the same thing in the eyes of the law. My point was they have no reason to judge anyone. Not everyone is a speed freak, ur right, and not everyone does there car up to prove themselves. Let me correct my begining statement, not everyone would do it, but 90% would, and they dont admit to it, and that was the reason for my original post.
not trying to be rude but please use the enter key once in a while...it makes your posts more readable
13-Apr-2007, 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Paolo
not everyone would do it, but 90% would
not everyone would do it, but 90% would
I do go over speed limit, almost everyday. Over 5 is over, and over 15 is also exceeding the limit. In a 60 zone, I may be going at 65 70, or 55. I will correct the speed when I see the speedometer, but I have to watch the road, and over a period of time, your speed either drops or increases.
I stay within the crowd, keep a safe distance and keep it that way. I don't want to pass everyone, nor do I want to drive way below the speed limit to slow down others.
13-Apr-2007, 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust
We can all agree on that some people do it, and some don't. But unless you have hard facts, throwing out a percentage will only invalidate your own statement.
I do go over speed limit, almost everyday. Over 5 is over, and over 15 is also exceeding the limit. In a 60 zone, I may be going at 65 70, or 55. I will correct the speed when I see the speedometer, but I have to watch the road, and over a period of time, your speed either drops or increases.
I stay within the crowd, keep a safe distance and keep it that way. I don't want to pass everyone, nor do I want to drive way below the speed limit to slow down others.
We can all agree on that some people do it, and some don't. But unless you have hard facts, throwing out a percentage will only invalidate your own statement.
I do go over speed limit, almost everyday. Over 5 is over, and over 15 is also exceeding the limit. In a 60 zone, I may be going at 65 70, or 55. I will correct the speed when I see the speedometer, but I have to watch the road, and over a period of time, your speed either drops or increases.
I stay within the crowd, keep a safe distance and keep it that way. I don't want to pass everyone, nor do I want to drive way below the speed limit to slow down others.
What bothers me about this whole crack down is, it won't be consistant. It can't be. One cop to another, they won't see it the same and the law is to broad. Anybody speeding, and happen to be by another car that is maybe going over the speed limit and neither of them are aware of each other, who is to say they don't both get pulled over for street racing?
As for the comment of swapping engines for more power are more likely to drive fast, lets look at this another way........ the two people that were in an accident last year or the year before, both of them driving their parents cars. No mods, and both very expensive cars. I believe that one of them was a Benz? Not even their cars! So what does that say?
Doesn't matter what you drive. It could be a POS, if people want to race, or drive fast, they will do it, no matter what they are driving.
Very good conversations going on, and probably needs to be talked about more as younger people getting into the hobby or even just getting their license needs to be educated and retold. T
13-Apr-2007, 03:58 PM
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well..its hard not to agree with PAOLO.. maybe yes..if you spent money on just an intake or muffler...u wont have the urge to race someone with a vette or sti..
but for those that invest in turbo's, superchargers, we do it for a reason.. hence the sleeper status some of us try to achieve...I do not condone street racing.....i dont understand why its so hard to have organized race events that are not so far from the city though..ie.. cayuga or something..y
but for those that invest in turbo's, superchargers, we do it for a reason.. hence the sleeper status some of us try to achieve...I do not condone street racing.....i dont understand why its so hard to have organized race events that are not so far from the city though..ie.. cayuga or something..y
13-Apr-2007, 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by EL_CIVIC
well..its hard not to agree with PAOLO.. maybe yes..if you spent money on just an intake or muffler...u wont have the urge to race someone with a vette or sti..
but for those that invest in turbo's, superchargers, we do it for a reason.. hence the sleeper status some of us try to achieve...I do not condone street racing.....i dont understand why its so hard to have organized race events that are not so far from the city though..ie.. cayuga or something..y
well..its hard not to agree with PAOLO.. maybe yes..if you spent money on just an intake or muffler...u wont have the urge to race someone with a vette or sti..
but for those that invest in turbo's, superchargers, we do it for a reason.. hence the sleeper status some of us try to achieve...I do not condone street racing.....i dont understand why its so hard to have organized race events that are not so far from the city though..ie.. cayuga or something..y
And not agreeing, but you are grouping everyone that has a turbo, supercharge etc and assuming they all race on the street. Not all do, and some actually take it to the track. That is the point that Gatherer was making. I know of someone personally that has a turbo B16 and refuses to drive fast on the street and takes it to the track to race it.
People can also buy cars with turbo's in them or even NA and be fast, does this mean everyone in Ontario with a car that has 250 HP + is going to street race? I guess that means soccer moms will be grouped in there as well.
13-Apr-2007, 04:29 PM
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Wow some crazy statements flying around. I'll just say I'm 31 enjoy modding my car and trying to improve every detail about it inside and out. I live 40 mins away from Shanonville and enjoy going out to the drags as much as I can in the summer time.
That being said, I laugh at little ricers or stangs trying to race me at a light beacuse they see my EG pull up beside them. They instantly feel the need to try and one up me. I let them do whatever they want. I got a wife and a house and alot of other important *hit in my life, trying to impress other people is not one of them.
Besides a few times a week I alway's have a few people walk up to me and say (hey I no that car you where hauling *** at Shanonville all summer). That is all the satisfaction I need.
So not all people are retard's that drive civic's. We all ready have every pig out there trying to get us, why give them more reasons to make up new laws. Keep it safe and go to the track.
That being said, I laugh at little ricers or stangs trying to race me at a light beacuse they see my EG pull up beside them. They instantly feel the need to try and one up me. I let them do whatever they want. I got a wife and a house and alot of other important *hit in my life, trying to impress other people is not one of them.
Besides a few times a week I alway's have a few people walk up to me and say (hey I no that car you where hauling *** at Shanonville all summer). That is all the satisfaction I need.
So not all people are retard's that drive civic's. We all ready have every pig out there trying to get us, why give them more reasons to make up new laws. Keep it safe and go to the track.
13-Apr-2007, 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
And not agreeing, but you are grouping everyone that has a turbo, supercharge etc and assuming they all race on the street. Not all do, and some actually take it to the track. That is the point that Gatherer was making. I know of someone personally that has a turbo B16 and refuses to drive fast on the street and takes it to the track to race it.
People can also buy cars with turbo's in them or even NA and be fast, does this mean everyone in Ontario with a car that has 250 HP + is going to street race? I guess that means soccer moms will be grouped in there as well.
And not agreeing, but you are grouping everyone that has a turbo, supercharge etc and assuming they all race on the street. Not all do, and some actually take it to the track. That is the point that Gatherer was making. I know of someone personally that has a turbo B16 and refuses to drive fast on the street and takes it to the track to race it.
People can also buy cars with turbo's in them or even NA and be fast, does this mean everyone in Ontario with a car that has 250 HP + is going to street race? I guess that means soccer moms will be grouped in there as well.
13-Apr-2007, 04:37 PM
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Swapping engines, or increase speed, for me, part of it is to actually be able to merge onto highway or overtake a spot to make an exit. Cars produced these days are bring up the bar higher and higher. Economical small displacement engines sometimes make highway driving a little dangerous, when you need to sudden reaction to either increase speed to merge, or to pass someone to avoid being hit or move out of the way.
I try to slow down and go behind someone when switching lane than speed up and pass them, because that will increase the level of danger. But when the guy next to you talks on the phone and doesn't see your turn signal flashing, and he is got an ******* tailgating behind, you have no choice but to pass.
Going 100km/hr, things can happen really fast. If you can't make a right move within the given time (i.e. to pass someone fast enough), you either miss your exit (which is not that big of a deal) or you still try to make the pass and crossing over in the painted area and risk the lives of others'.
Then there are those who can't make it, and hit the tire wall dead on. But this mostly has to do with road management, much less with the size of your engine. But could be related on a certain level.
I try to slow down and go behind someone when switching lane than speed up and pass them, because that will increase the level of danger. But when the guy next to you talks on the phone and doesn't see your turn signal flashing, and he is got an ******* tailgating behind, you have no choice but to pass.
Going 100km/hr, things can happen really fast. If you can't make a right move within the given time (i.e. to pass someone fast enough), you either miss your exit (which is not that big of a deal) or you still try to make the pass and crossing over in the painted area and risk the lives of others'.
Then there are those who can't make it, and hit the tire wall dead on. But this mostly has to do with road management, much less with the size of your engine. But could be related on a certain level.
13-Apr-2007, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust
Swapping engines, or increase speed, for me, part of it is to actually be able to merge onto highway or overtake a spot to make an exit. Cars produced these days are bring up the bar higher and higher. Economical small displacement engines sometimes make highway driving a little dangerous, when you need to sudden reaction to either increase speed to merge, or to pass someone to avoid being hit or move out of the way.
I try to slow down and go behind someone when switching lane than speed up and pass them, because that will increase the level of danger. But when the guy next to you talks on the phone and doesn't see your turn signal flashing, and he is got an ******* tailgating behind, you have no choice but to pass.
Going 100km/hr, things can happen really fast. If you can't make a right move within the given time (i.e. to pass someone fast enough), you either miss your exit (which is not that big of a deal) or you still try to make the pass and crossing over in the painted area and risk the lives of others'.
Then there are those who can't make it, and hit the tire wall dead on. But this mostly has to do with road management, much less with the size of your engine. But could be related on a certain level.
Swapping engines, or increase speed, for me, part of it is to actually be able to merge onto highway or overtake a spot to make an exit. Cars produced these days are bring up the bar higher and higher. Economical small displacement engines sometimes make highway driving a little dangerous, when you need to sudden reaction to either increase speed to merge, or to pass someone to avoid being hit or move out of the way.
I try to slow down and go behind someone when switching lane than speed up and pass them, because that will increase the level of danger. But when the guy next to you talks on the phone and doesn't see your turn signal flashing, and he is got an ******* tailgating behind, you have no choice but to pass.
Going 100km/hr, things can happen really fast. If you can't make a right move within the given time (i.e. to pass someone fast enough), you either miss your exit (which is not that big of a deal) or you still try to make the pass and crossing over in the painted area and risk the lives of others'.
Then there are those who can't make it, and hit the tire wall dead on. But this mostly has to do with road management, much less with the size of your engine. But could be related on a certain level.
