dingus88

he wont' be hitting 11's..?? so the stock tranny will be fine

but then again a moron can break a completely unmodified awd talon so....

people have gone low 11's on stock original tranny easy...just can't rape it and pull rice boy gear slams

Dr.K

Talon's are money pits. I know a guy who babied his and it still broke. And another guy who keeps modding his and is on his 3rd engine. He even had proper fuel management and it still blew.
And why do people keep saying to turbo a D series? Waste of Time. Wow your boosting and your only hitting 14's.Stock B16 in a hatch can touch 14's with Minimal mods. And the Rod's in a D motor are liek Toothpick's. Id rather take the Stronger Block. Hence why I bought a B16 for $800. www.teknotik.com. B motor's are only $300-400 more than a comparable D motor. SO why waste your time? D motor's are great on a Budget. But if you wanna run with the Big boy's grab a B. Even a B18A is better than the Best D motor.

dingus88

well your friend must be an idoit to blow 3 motors that can take 400 hp on the stock 6 bolt block...and they actually need maintanence and need to be setup right ie flywheel step height clutch cables etc...timign belt and bs shaft belt need to be done etc. not like a honda where you drive it inot the ground.

spracingsports

you forget the weight difference..... a 220 HP B16 wouldnt beat a 220 HP D16

Dr.K

Weight difference? WTF? thats a retarded response. 50lbs is nothing. The guy i coudl be racing coudl weigh 50lbs more than me. And he could have 200lbs of stereo equipment in teh trunk.I was comparing cars of equal weight. Engine weight is Negligable.
And a 220hp D motor would be ready to blow if it was on stock internal's. And what motor would cost more to Reach 220hp? Exactly. A JDM B16 already starts with 167hp and Cost's about $200 more than a D-Series Vtec. Here's another Scenario. Throw 7psi on Each motor and See which one's faster? More like throw 8psi on the D and throw 5psi on the B. The B will still be faster. D's are just econo motor's. B's are much beefier and Have a WAAAAY better transmission. And the Equal length driveshaft's help reduce torquesteer. A 200hp B motor woudl also be much easier to drive and be much more reliable than a 200hp D.

dingus88

d series swap = mad cheap b series = mad expensive

case and poitn if you want a car that is actually fast and you dont' have to dump 7-8000 into it to make it run 13's then dotn' get a honda get dsm/mustang 5.0/anything factory turbo etc...

The G2 Racer

People will mod what they like so why tell him to buy a different car, if he likes his civic, who cares what he does.

As for my tranny comment, I'd heard through some of my dsm buddies of more then one guy blowing the stock tranny when running the ACT 2600 clutch. The tranny can't hold up to really hard (like 5000rpm) launches when everything else is stock.
If you want to have fun with a DSM, I'd grab a Shep trans.

dingus88

^^def shep trans with 4 sprider gear dif

but then again people have gone low 11's on bone stock tranny with act 2600...and that clutch can def rape the trans if not driven right forsure but it's all driver casue that clutch has big clamp power. A clutch slip to fast at 5000 rpm with a act 2600 can rape the center dif btu if doen right you can pull 1.7-1.6 60 ft's all day long.

The G2 Racer

Very true.
Any type of racing is 5% car and 95% driver imo.

ZCcrx

Hi, I have a zc turbo and love it, I know many people put the zc down, but i have had it for 3 years with no trouble at all and finally decided to rebuild the engine for boost, JE Piston and crower rods, zdyne standalone and have been boosting for 2 years now at 9psi daily and 12psi now and then and the engine is just as strong as ever, the stock zc can handle about 180 hp before u should consider upgrading rods, and with any turbo car your most important thing is fuel management and tuning, if you try to go cheap in the long run you will have a unreliable engine, if i had a choice between i a zc turbo or b16a, i would take the zc anyday

Dr.K

I bash the D alot but they are more cost effective considering the swap uses more civic parts. Its jsut B16's are so cheap for the power you get stock.The downfall is the whole swap is more of a hasslle and cost's more.Either way a D motor is still better than Primitive VW Watercooled N.A motor's.ahhahahahah.

dingus88

b's are way to expensive for teh power you get...klze 800 bux-1000 for 200 hp and 160 lbs of torque

4g63 jdm 100-1200 with tranny 210 hp

bpt 800-1200 bux with tranny 180 hp turbo

b16 1st gen 1200-1400 160 hp with 110 lbs or torque...wow

b18c5 4-6000 200 hp 130 lbs or torque...ya real cheap

imported_Team Rukus

zc is outdated hardcore.
b16 first gen is gettin there but it still has got alot of aftermarket support.

imo go b16.

zc complete waste of time.

ZCcrx

I Dont think a zc turbo crx over 200hp to the wheels and over 190 torque is a waste of time, for the price of the zc and turbo you cant get more bang for the buck, the zc stock has pretty good torque but turbo,ed it it has awesome torque, but that just my opinion from experence with one

Dr.K

www.teknotik.com.....B16 first gen with a warranty. $680!!!!!!!!
Thats inexpensive for the motor your getting. The motor has ton's of potential and the biggest aftermarket of any watercooled 4cyl in existence. More of a pain to swap, But superior overall.