For 6 grand - what civic would you buy?
14-Oct-2010, 01:09 PM
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EM1> EP3.
They both have very similar performance numbers, but what wins it for me is; The EM1 is significantly lighter, has better suspension, is easier to work on, has more aftermarket support, ...the list goes on...
Honestly, now, I would never spend 6 grand on a civic. I'd save most of that money and buy an older 5th or 6th gen civic, put some of the rest into making it handle and go faster, then save the rest and enjoy the fantastic fuel mileage.
They both have very similar performance numbers, but what wins it for me is; The EM1 is significantly lighter, has better suspension, is easier to work on, has more aftermarket support, ...the list goes on...
Honestly, now, I would never spend 6 grand on a civic. I'd save most of that money and buy an older 5th or 6th gen civic, put some of the rest into making it handle and go faster, then save the rest and enjoy the fantastic fuel mileage.
Well Mike, I do have to debate with you on this; but in the end it boils down to preferrence.
Fairly soon, the K engine's will become the old news, and the B-stuff will be ancient.
That being said, I'd rather have a vehicle that would be more K swap friendly such as the EP3, ie. K20a2, K24....
I am glad I didn't end up with the EM1 I wanted for this reason. And everything happens for
A reason, I believe.
For me, no brainer, with a ridiculously more rigid chassis, ease of K swaps, despite the weight
Increase.... EP3 hands down.
Out with the old, in with the newer old.... Lmao.
14-Oct-2010, 02:54 PM
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^Nice! 
It is a matter of preference, you're right.
I prefer the double wish-bone front and multi-link independant rear suspension over the macphearson-strut front and joined trailing-arm rear suspension in the EP3. Though the type-R EP3 apparently handles like it's on rails...
It is a matter of preference, you're right.
I prefer the double wish-bone front and multi-link independant rear suspension over the macphearson-strut front and joined trailing-arm rear suspension in the EP3. Though the type-R EP3 apparently handles like it's on rails...
14-Oct-2010, 03:04 PM
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^Nice!
It is a matter of preference, you're right.
I prefer the double wish-bone front and multi-link independant rear suspension over the macphearson-strut front and joined trailing-arm rear suspension in the EP3. Though the type-R EP3 apparently handles like it's on rails...
It is a matter of preference, you're right.
I prefer the double wish-bone front and multi-link independant rear suspension over the macphearson-strut front and joined trailing-arm rear suspension in the EP3. Though the type-R EP3 apparently handles like it's on rails...
14-Oct-2010, 06:53 PM
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To further my argument, and although not on the top of the list of priorities,
Interior plays a role in the comparison. There is no way you can compare the fit,finish, appearance,
and feel of the EP3's interior over the EM1.
The shifter position may seem awkward and un-popular, but once you get acquainted with it,
Its a dream, your hand wants to go right back to the wheel, naturally, every time, being positioned
so close to it.
I've never looked at an EM1 the same since I bought my EP3. Then again, iv'e only driven the EM1, and never owned one.
Interior plays a role in the comparison. There is no way you can compare the fit,finish, appearance,
and feel of the EP3's interior over the EM1.
The shifter position may seem awkward and un-popular, but once you get acquainted with it,
Its a dream, your hand wants to go right back to the wheel, naturally, every time, being positioned
so close to it.
I've never looked at an EM1 the same since I bought my EP3. Then again, iv'e only driven the EM1, and never owned one.
14-Oct-2010, 07:08 PM
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Hey WhiteyEP3 well I have work on my buddies EP3 tons and I have to agree it can be a great car... the chasis is decent but it's really tough working on it, not much space in the engine bay...and we noticed that the parts are very pricey compared to an EM1. To the point of you saying about the shifter when I first saw it I hated it, but after driving it, it is placed in a dam good spot and like you said your hand just goes back to the wheel everytime. The only thing I can't stand about the EP3 there stock motors (here) are to underpowered...they def need a swap into it to make it a decent "faster car" The Type R UK version is a great car was able to check them out when I was in Europe in the spring time...Great and fast cars, Just they lack the power over here...but hell the 2.0 iVTEC motors they have here are reliable and great on gas and a perfect all year round car...but it's not a force to be reckoned with until a swap is done or serious boost is applied.
As for what car to recommend I would say a 99-00 SIR with a swap of an ITR, would be a cleaner body then an ef,eg..and so fourth. Newer civics are the "new thing" but old school is awesome just for the weight factor and just hell of a lot of fun to school new cars :yeah:
As for what car to recommend I would say a 99-00 SIR with a swap of an ITR, would be a cleaner body then an ef,eg..and so fourth. Newer civics are the "new thing" but old school is awesome just for the weight factor and just hell of a lot of fun to school new cars :yeah:
14-Oct-2010, 07:22 PM
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You bring up a great point Paul. EP3 parts, are way more expensive than an EM1, for several reasons. One being the car
was only manufactured at Honda of UK Mfg, in Swindon, England. ALL of the OEM parts are manufactured
in places other than the US (making it a TRUE import)
Also, its all newer model parts, of course they'll cost more. Compare an 05 civic to an 07, same story.
Last, I'm sure there were significantly less EP3's sold in North America, than EM1's. The USDM Civic SI of this generation
likely had the largest following of all Honda models ever.
[/ EP3-EM1 comparison]
was only manufactured at Honda of UK Mfg, in Swindon, England. ALL of the OEM parts are manufactured
in places other than the US (making it a TRUE import)
Also, its all newer model parts, of course they'll cost more. Compare an 05 civic to an 07, same story.
Last, I'm sure there were significantly less EP3's sold in North America, than EM1's. The USDM Civic SI of this generation
likely had the largest following of all Honda models ever.
[/ EP3-EM1 comparison]
19-Oct-2010, 10:58 PM
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I'd go K series power all the way. I was tuning a 2006 Civic Si the other night. 227hp with Intake/Header/Exhaust and Flashpro. Stock ECU was in the high 180's.
The K series engines take to mods and tuning so well. I probably grab the ep3 and drop in a K20 from an 05-06 RSX.
EM1s are also good.. There is one at the shop right now getting a K20a2 swap with Kpro and all the bolt on toys.
The K series engines take to mods and tuning so well. I probably grab the ep3 and drop in a K20 from an 05-06 RSX.
EM1s are also good.. There is one at the shop right now getting a K20a2 swap with Kpro and all the bolt on toys.
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