UNCLE_DADDY0911

hey guys my motor tuned and dyno'd at 243 whp now my car is a 1997 civic hatch with acura rear disk brakes and over sized front rotors (this is the car im installing it in its in a civic with 5 bolt 4 wheel disk) im already scared that the brakes on my car will not be sufficient enough for this kind of power besides making the 5 bolt conversion what are my other options? type R brake booster will that help much ? or any ?

D.T.P

Brembo blanks with hawk hp+ pads and dot4 (or higher) fluid.

Is it a daily or mostly track?

UNCLE_DADDY0911

its gona be for daily use but with my b20 in it now 200 whp ish the braking sucks so i wanna upgrade b4 i install the motor .... are they expensive? the ones you reccomended

D.T.P

Parts should total about 500$ give or take.

Read some reviews on the pads I recommended.

kaval

Don't bother with 5 bolt. Do the Type R caliper front brake upgrade. Get an aggressive pad like Ferodo DS2500 and you'll be good to go with a mid to high grade quality rotor. Type R brake booster helps tremendously with pedal feel. Braided lines will help that feel too.

What 'sucks' about your brakes?

UNCLE_DADDY0911

I have braided lines on my brakes ,what sucks about my braking is my brakes lock up pretty easily at times its better for me to run a red light than squeel and stop half way in the intersection yeah its pathetic either that or im jus used to having abs ......so witht he type r caliper and brake booster n a good pad it makes that much of a difference?

D.T.P

If you follow the speed limit you won't have that problem.

Moreover, I guess you just need to learn how to brake properly without abs.

kaval

I've been driving without ABS for 10 years and I've never had an issue with locking up my brakes even at the track under hard braking with race pads. Sounds like you need to chill on the speed man.

Robb

iTrader: (1)

Put in a 15/16" Master cylinder, or even a 1" on that car and I guarantee you wont lock up your brakes...LoL

Bradsma

I had 265WHP on stock 98 Si brakes and never had any problems even when I got it going. Perhaps the brakes you have now are just at the end of there life?

Regamaro

What tires are u running?

Myz

I'm with RegaMaro...
Don't aim big on your braking....It seems your braking is working fine cos they're gripping.
Its the Tire grip on the road that's letting you down.

I've ran stock calipers with Ferodo pads on my dedicated track car for over 6yrs.
Annual caliper service, regular brakefluid flush & not stomping on the pedal like its a cockroach helps tremendously with slowing you down without locking up.

kaval

Funny you mentioned tires. I came into this thread to ask what tires he had. lol

UNCLE_DADDY0911

its not my tires cause i had the same problem with my winter tires i think maybe im a lil too heavy on the brake pedal im gona get the brake booster and maybe upgrade to type R calipers and get the rotors and pads suggested above hopefully that helps lol

p.s. anyone wanna buy a B20 vtec motor tranny computer etc....fresh rebuilt runs amazing let me know...thanks for the info guys keep it up if you have more suggestions

Regamaro

Fair enough way to figure out the problem haha. Throwing upgrade parts at a problem is a disease I'm also infected with.

UNCLE_DADDY0911

ya i figured you can almost never go wrong with upgrades lol

Myz

Dude, I hardly think testing the theory with winters is gona help.
In dry/summer conditions, I wouldn't expect winters to offer better grip compared to your summer tires. If you have a buddy with better tires (brand/rating), thats willing to lend you for about a half hr or so, you'll be able to test my theory.
Wel, that's just my opinion.
You can go ahead & do the upgrades anyway

UNCLE_DADDY0911

I have on falkens 205 40R 17 s im gonna test it out today ive had em on for a month now but im trying to sell the motor so i dont want people seeing me beating my car and thinking i beat the hell otu of it all the time...ill keep you posted

Sundown

Tyres are the only part of your car that (under conventional circumstances) touches the road. You say you have Falken tyres, but which model?

Tyres should be the very first upgrade, ANYONE makes before building ANY modification into their car.

The tyre choice dictates the overall eventual level of grip and allows you to then appropriately size brakes, select suspension and associated spring/bar rates and damper settings, optimize balance (through weight reduction/ballasting) and FINALLY by targeting a desired engine output.

From what I gather, you're not so interested in actually being legitimately quick, but rather, in being able to tell your friends that you have a 200+whp fwd car on some half-hearted performance rubber.

On a note for braking correctly, you should be doing the hardest part of your braking in the EARLIEST phase of the braking zone (conventionally speaking) when the wheels and car have the greatest amount of kinetic energy to turn into heat. As my old team boss used to tell me, it's very difficult to lock up the tyres at high speed, very easy to lock them at low speed.

Blowing through red lights is beyond dangerous, I know you could probably care less about killing yourself, but your passengers or the mother with two small children crossing the road probably don't want to become hood ornaments on your busted ricer. There are no trophies available on the street.

As a final note, and kind of a reward as I doubt you had the attention span to read the above. You probably just need the correct prop valve.

UNCLE_DADDY0911

Well I made a comment about mr Sundown here and i guess ( from the warning T.C.C gave me ) its not acceptable that I leave my address so we can personally meet about our differences........
on a final note : gotta love haters E.A.D