Double_B

^^^having said that, Charles and I plan on exactly doing that Matt, and I would still be happy with my car if I didn't do anything to the engine, I just see this as a learning experience for myself as well.

imported_loudsubz

Cudos to that. You guys got the right idea, its the learning process.

scarlemthug

ummm no ive always known D series suck and i would never be a big D series guy because i dont like to start with inferior stuff. Yes the K series is a way better platform to start with but the swap requires modifications to the chassis and alot of parts to work semi-properly in an EK so at the moment it isnt in the budget to do.

H series motors arent the best motors, yes they make good torque but there 2.2L so they should. They arent the type of engine to last with constant redlining though so it wouldnt be the motor of choice for someone who likes to drive there car hard IMO.

imported_loudsubz

Well D series don't suck like you put it, it simply boils down to the fact B is the easier way out.,

H don't need to be redlined like the smaller B series engines, if you look at alot of dyno graphs for H22 you will see they make max torque well before the redline, so redlining them is stupid IMO your just wasting fuel and putting more stress on the engine by bouncing off the rev limiter.

1ofAkind

whoever said your car is heavy, doesn't know what he or she is talking about...The EG and EK sedans are not much heavier than the hatches...infact some sedans and coupes have the same weight. For example my cousin has a 92 si hatch, weighs in around 2300 and change...my 92 lx sedan weighs 2300 and change also. his car came with sunroof,AC etc...mine didn't.don't worry about people(who don't know much better) telling u that ur sedan weighs alot. good luck bro...i recommend going with a b-series swap or mini me/boost like bruno.

scarlemthug

D series are economy engines not performance engines. The B series isnt the easy way out its the smart way for someone to build a good reliable performance setup.

As for the H series, i think honda had a good idea with building it but it turned into more of a problem engine. H23 + CD5 accord = fun

imported_loudsubz

B20 is an economy engine as well, so is the b18b, b18c1 and c5 are more performance. If properly built D series can be just as reliable, heck even stock, look at JC he has been running his turbo D series for awhile now with no problems.

I'm not saying either are better, just depends what your after I guess. The only major problem is boosting on the B series, since they don't like it stock, but other than that as a N/A engine with no internal work its fine, now if you build it and boost it, hold on, some fun ahead.

Not trying to start a argument, just my opinion thats all. Friendly discussion

scarlemthug

B20 is built for a small truck so yes it isnt a performance engine per say but when you put it into a civic i would have to say that it offers great performance. The b18b1, B18c1, B18c5, B16 are all performance engines from honda designed for someone on a budget. Yes JC has been running his turbo D for awhile but is he pushing anywhere near 200whp which is around the limit for a D series.

Actually B series engines respond well to boost so i dunno what your talking about, maybe u confused B with D. Why is it that stock B series can be boosted to 300-350whp without alot of issues and D series engines are usually maxed out stock around 200?

Nova_Dust

Stock D16 + Boost don't max out at 200. It is all tuning. Likewise, Stock B16/18 don't naturally boost to 300whp on stock parts without no forms of tuning. B18C1, a car that is roughly 150 at the wheel in stock form and you are boosting it to 300whp on stock parts? That's 1 bar my friend. You can boost stock B at 1 bar with stock internals? Maybe you could, but done with good tuning. But if tuning is involved, then I will have to say that 200whp isn't the max for boosted stock D.

B is a good engine, no doubt. So is D. One is a smaller engine, one is larger, that's all. You modify a smaller engine, you will have a smaller result. You modify a slightly larger platform, you will gain more. That's about it. You want a larger whp result on a NA tuned Honda engine, then I will say B series will yield you very nicely tuned 200+ whp. D, more than likely, no way.

imported_ERTW

B series are obsolete, please stop arguing about the value of something that has been replaced by superior technology.. sure, it was a fine engine for its time, everyone will grant that, but so is the D.

scarlemthug

ummm why do u always compare B18 and D16, why not compare B16 to D16? Because that ruins your whole idea of bigger displacement = more hp?

you can boost a B series to 300whp on stock internals for sure, obviously your not gonna be doing this with an FMU so yes it needs to be tuned. So a D series on stock internals can be boosted reliably to 300whp? dont think so.

Yes we have already established that the K series is the better of all the engines, thanks for restating the obvious....

Double_B

I think you all need to give this a rest..............people want try and improve or do something with their D series engine, let them be. People want to swap to a B series, then let them be. This D VS B is getting real tired.

End of story!

scarlemthug

umm i think this was the post that started the argument B.

Double_B

Sure it was, but now it's getting out of hand, and my statement never said it was a better engine, the comparison's were started by you bro

scarlemthug

because you assume people advise others not to use a D series because they dont like them, when its the fact they arent a good platform to build a fast car with.

imported_loudsubz

Please drop it. Like mentioned above this has got out of hand. We don't want another B vs D debate, we have enough of those. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so be it, but there is a time and place for everything, it is not here.

Double_B

It's a matter of getting the last word in Matt, it's no longer a debate about B vs D anymore. Like I said, you want to keep your D and improve, its all good

cee_mon

D16 boosted tq > B16 boosted tq

Kkid75

I have a 99 civic hatch. EK I had a short ram intake from the previous owner. One hose clamp held it on. A real low dollar investment. Bought the car for 850$ so I figured what a great project car. It was slammed on eBay coils. Not to my surprise the springs were loose when I jacked it up. Wouldn't pass inspection. So I pulled stock replacements at a junk yard. Raised it back up. Put on dc strut bars. Front and. Back and bought a spectra intake. Ran it to the passenger side with the filter it came with. Then ran flex piping down to my passenger wheel well (just in front of the wheel) and cut a hole for the second air filter. A bit of over kill for my d16y7a but I figured if I'm going to do it. Might as well do it right. Cost me 70 to run the new intake. Runs a lot better with the new intake. Noticed a bit of a idle difference. Slightly less misfiring. But to respond to your post. I wouldn't touch the d16 for anything other then intake, exhaust and the appearance of the car. If you don't plan on keeping it. I'd get some cheep rims (that look great on the car) make sure the interior is good. Maybe fresh paint. Maybe not. But if you don't want to spend a lot of money. Intake exhaust rims maybe strut bars. The. Sell the car and maybe you'll get lucky and a high school kid with there parents wallet will buy the car thinking it's a race car just because it looks nice and sounds nice. and then you can make back what you spent. I've seen my friends do the same thing buy a car for 1500$ then do what I just said and sell the thing for 3-4 grand. One of my friends lowered the car and put rims on it. Bought for 2g sold for 6. Now he drives a 89 rx7 with a brand new duel rotter motor running 15lbs of boost ratting everything he pulls up next to. And sti has some money to play with. So good luck but don't do any mechanical work to a d16. Swap it or rice it up and sell it

ol Dusty

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9 years later, I'm betting this particular car is long gone.