d16y7a build up
14-Feb-2005, 03:49 PM
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just do the beginner thing.. get everything used:
1. get a cold air intake ~$100
2. exhaust. ~$300
3. headlamp bulbs ~$50
4. drop the car (shocks & springs) ~$600-$800
5. get 15" gs-r wheels (195/55) ~$600-$800
6. SiR rear swaybar ~$150
7. install a deck, amp & subs ~$500-$700. 200w w/bandpass
8. find a discrete front lip ~$200 (see manhonda.com)
- you can install everything yourself, and get to know your car
- the car will get louder, and loosen up. good for a quick thrill.
- if you rev, you will keep up with most everyday cars (and vans LoL) till about 140 km/h
- I wouldnt reccomend a short-shifter.
- the novelty will wear off quickly after a year has gone by and you've racked up unnecessary tickets. when you are ready to sell, you can get back 75%-90% of what you bought the parts for.
Enjoy!!!
1. get a cold air intake ~$100
2. exhaust. ~$300
3. headlamp bulbs ~$50
4. drop the car (shocks & springs) ~$600-$800
5. get 15" gs-r wheels (195/55) ~$600-$800
6. SiR rear swaybar ~$150
7. install a deck, amp & subs ~$500-$700. 200w w/bandpass
8. find a discrete front lip ~$200 (see manhonda.com)
- you can install everything yourself, and get to know your car
- the car will get louder, and loosen up. good for a quick thrill.
- if you rev, you will keep up with most everyday cars (and vans LoL) till about 140 km/h
- I wouldnt reccomend a short-shifter.
- the novelty will wear off quickly after a year has gone by and you've racked up unnecessary tickets. when you are ready to sell, you can get back 75%-90% of what you bought the parts for.
Enjoy!!!
14-Feb-2005, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by illmatic_si
just do the beginner thing.. get everything used:
1. get a cold air intake ~$100
2. exhaust. ~$300
3. headlamp bulbs ~$50
4. drop the car (shocks & springs) ~$600-$800
5. get 15" gs-r wheels (195/55) ~$600-$800
6. SiR rear swaybar ~$150
7. install a deck, amp & subs ~$500-$700. 200w w/bandpass
8. find a discrete front lip ~$200 (see manhonda.com)
- you can install everything yourself, and get to know your car
- the car will get louder, and loosen up. good for a quick thrill.
- if you rev, you will keep up with most everyday cars (and vans LoL) till about 140 km/h
- I wouldnt reccomend a short-shifter.
- the novelty will wear off quickly after a year has gone by and you've racked up unnecessary tickets. when you are ready to sell, you can get back 75%-90% of what you bought the parts for.
Enjoy!!!
just do the beginner thing.. get everything used:
1. get a cold air intake ~$100
2. exhaust. ~$300
3. headlamp bulbs ~$50
4. drop the car (shocks & springs) ~$600-$800
5. get 15" gs-r wheels (195/55) ~$600-$800
6. SiR rear swaybar ~$150
7. install a deck, amp & subs ~$500-$700. 200w w/bandpass
8. find a discrete front lip ~$200 (see manhonda.com)
- you can install everything yourself, and get to know your car
- the car will get louder, and loosen up. good for a quick thrill.
- if you rev, you will keep up with most everyday cars (and vans LoL) till about 140 km/h
- I wouldnt reccomend a short-shifter.
- the novelty will wear off quickly after a year has gone by and you've racked up unnecessary tickets. when you are ready to sell, you can get back 75%-90% of what you bought the parts for.
Enjoy!!!
anyways keep it stock, better resale value.
15-Feb-2005, 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
Damn those are some expensive prices and a D series keeping up with most everyday cars till 140km/h? lol WoW thats jokes.
anyways keep it stock, better resale value.
Damn those are some expensive prices and a D series keeping up with most everyday cars till 140km/h? lol WoW thats jokes.
anyways keep it stock, better resale value.
throw on some bolt ons, get a cheap thrill, part out, sell stock. simple.
15-Feb-2005, 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
Damn those are some expensive prices and a D series keeping up with most everyday cars till 140km/h? lol WoW thats jokes.
anyways keep it stock, better resale value.
Damn those are some expensive prices and a D series keeping up with most everyday cars till 140km/h? lol WoW thats jokes.
anyways keep it stock, better resale value.
by the way man: your car is f-kkin nice! holy sh-t. how is the ride quality b/c its soo low? mine is bumpy as hell.. but yoo man ur car is REALLY nice.
hmm.. i want to attach a pic of my car here... how the hell do i do that... dumb question but
beats poking around
13-May-2005, 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
The reason you hear about people saying don't waste your time with the D series, is because they don't like the D series and rather have a DOHC engine. There are things you can do with a D, just depends on what you want to do and how far.
The reason you hear about people saying don't waste your time with the D series, is because they don't like the D series and rather have a DOHC engine. There are things you can do with a D, just depends on what you want to do and how far.
Basically if u have a B16 and a D16 and u put an intake on both engines u will see more gain on the B16 than on a D16, u just get more bang for ur dollar.
IMO if ur looking to run like 200whp turbo just get a cheap turbo kit and keep ur D series, anywhere above that its not really worth using a D series engine.
13-May-2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by VikJae
yeah i think thats the route im going to go... ove only added superficial mods to it, rims, deck, lowered, headlights and taillights u know. cutsom grill and bumper but like.. yeah after all these postings and hearing "dont waste ur time on a d-series" i think illl leave it alone.
by the way man: your car is f-kkin nice! holy sh-t. how is the ride quality b/c its soo low? mine is bumpy as hell.. but yoo man ur car is REALLY nice.
hmm.. i want to attach a pic of my car here... how the hell do i do that... dumb question but beats poking around
yeah i think thats the route im going to go... ove only added superficial mods to it, rims, deck, lowered, headlights and taillights u know. cutsom grill and bumper but like.. yeah after all these postings and hearing "dont waste ur time on a d-series" i think illl leave it alone.
by the way man: your car is f-kkin nice! holy sh-t. how is the ride quality b/c its soo low? mine is bumpy as hell.. but yoo man ur car is REALLY nice.
hmm.. i want to attach a pic of my car here... how the hell do i do that... dumb question but
beats poking around
. As for the ride its actually pretty smooth, like any lowered car its harsher or bumps but the full progress coilover setup on the car offers pretty good ride quality but the handling of the car is much better than before.
13-May-2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
no brian its not because people dont like D series its because it takes alot of internal work to reach 300whp with a D series turbo whereas with a B series u can run 300whp on a stock block without issues (unless ur motor is bum from the beginning).
Basically if u have a B16 and a D16 and u put an intake on both engines u will see more gain on the B16 than on a D16, u just get more bang for ur dollar.
IMO if ur looking to run like 200whp turbo just get a cheap turbo kit and keep ur D series, anywhere above that its not really worth using a D series engine.
no brian its not because people dont like D series its because it takes alot of internal work to reach 300whp with a D series turbo whereas with a B series u can run 300whp on a stock block without issues (unless ur motor is bum from the beginning).
Basically if u have a B16 and a D16 and u put an intake on both engines u will see more gain on the B16 than on a D16, u just get more bang for ur dollar.
IMO if ur looking to run like 200whp turbo just get a cheap turbo kit and keep ur D series, anywhere above that its not really worth using a D series engine.
13-May-2005, 01:17 PM
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like i said, if u only want like 200whp and under D series turbo is good becaues ur car comes with the engine stock and u can replace them for cheap. once u start dumping money into internals and stuff on a D series IMO its a big waste of $$$$.
13-May-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
like i said, if u only want like 200whp and under D series turbo is good becaues ur car comes with the engine stock and u can replace them for cheap. once u start dumping money into internals and stuff on a D series IMO its a big waste of $$$$.
like i said, if u only want like 200whp and under D series turbo is good becaues ur car comes with the engine stock and u can replace them for cheap. once u start dumping money into internals and stuff on a D series IMO its a big waste of $$$$.
Oh yeah, well u suck A**
It's not just that Chris, some people just want to have fun with what they have and see what they can do with what they have, doesn't have to make crazy hp gains to have fun sometimes
13-May-2005, 01:52 PM
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yeah i know some people think its more of a challenge to build a D series but imo its just trying to make power from something that wasnt designed to.
Just a good rule of thumb
-200whp and under D series
-200 whp and up B series is best
-K series will be the best once the cost of the install comes down in price.
Just a good rule of thumb
-200whp and under D series
-200 whp and up B series is best
-K series will be the best once the cost of the install comes down in price.
13-May-2005, 02:38 PM
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Benson Turbo D16 block = 600whp
Benson Turbo B18 blcok = 800whp
NA 200whp and below = D, B, H
NA 200whp and above = B, H, K, F, J
Take your pick. Engine type doesn't really matter. You look at 3 things:
1) What whp you want
2) In what form of power do you want it (NA, MFI, CFI)
3) Straight swap or not
Plain and simple.
Benson Turbo B18 blcok = 800whp
NA 200whp and below = D, B, H
NA 200whp and above = B, H, K, F, J
Take your pick. Engine type doesn't really matter. You look at 3 things:
1) What whp you want
2) In what form of power do you want it (NA, MFI, CFI)
3) Straight swap or not
Plain and simple.
13-May-2005, 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust
Benson Turbo D16 block = 600whp
Benson Turbo B18 blcok = 800whp
NA 200whp and below = D, B, H
NA 200whp and above = B, H, K, F, J
Take your pick. Engine type doesn't really matter. You look at 3 things:
1) What whp you want
2) In what form of power do you want it (NA, MFI, CFI)
3) Straight swap or not
Plain and simple.
Benson Turbo D16 block = 600whp
Benson Turbo B18 blcok = 800whp
NA 200whp and below = D, B, H
NA 200whp and above = B, H, K, F, J
Take your pick. Engine type doesn't really matter. You look at 3 things:
1) What whp you want
2) In what form of power do you want it (NA, MFI, CFI)
3) Straight swap or not
Plain and simple.
13-May-2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
like i said, if u only want like 200whp and under D series turbo is good becaues ur car comes with the engine stock and u can replace them for cheap. once u start dumping money into internals and stuff on a D series IMO its a big waste of $$$$.
like i said, if u only want like 200whp and under D series turbo is good becaues ur car comes with the engine stock and u can replace them for cheap. once u start dumping money into internals and stuff on a D series IMO its a big waste of $$$$.
Lots of good points made in this post so far. It comes down to preference and ability and $$
f your b18 is making 250whp and buddies D16 is making 250whp there is no diff, both are mean machines.
How is dumping money into internals on a D a big waste? I see anytime someone does soemthing to strengthen the motor is better.
13-May-2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
if it was as simple as buying a Benson turbo block to get 600whp with a D series there would be more of them around........
if it was as simple as buying a Benson turbo block to get 600whp with a D series there would be more of them around........
13-May-2005, 03:28 PM
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well im not gonna try and change ur mind charles, i know what u want and i respect that. But if a D series was gonna be just as reliable as a B series at 500whp there would be more people running them. The overall design of the D series engine is for economy not performance.
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13-May-2005, 03:47 PM
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LOL and we got the D vs B again. Really, like Charles says, all depends on what you want to do. I understand what Chris and all the B series owners or soon to be are saying, but not everyone wants to swap to those engines. different idea's and different plans. What bothers me is when people say it's a waste of time. It's only a waste of time if you have idea's and don't see them through and then wonder what if........there is enough documentation out there to show that there is possibilities for a D series engine, so lets get off this knocking down the D series and help out others who want to build on it, instead of telling them its a waste of time or they suck.
13-May-2005, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
LOL and we got the D vs B again. Really, like Charles says, all depends on what you want to do. I understand what Chris and all the B series owners or soon to be are saying, but not everyone wants to swap to those engines. different idea's and different plans. What bothers me is when people say it's a waste of time. It's only a waste of time if you have idea's and don't see them through and then wonder what if........there is enough documentation out there to show that there is possibilities for a D series engine, so lets get off this knocking down the D series and help out others who want to build on it, instead of telling them its a waste of time or they suck.
LOL and we got the D vs B again. Really, like Charles says, all depends on what you want to do. I understand what Chris and all the B series owners or soon to be are saying, but not everyone wants to swap to those engines. different idea's and different plans. What bothers me is when people say it's a waste of time. It's only a waste of time if you have idea's and don't see them through and then wonder what if........there is enough documentation out there to show that there is possibilities for a D series engine, so lets get off this knocking down the D series and help out others who want to build on it, instead of telling them its a waste of time or they suck.
Chris just likes to knock it cause he is swapping in a B series.. Im sure if he was a hardcore engine guy and did up a D series he would be going on how good the D series is and has potential...
I could also respond with how much better the K series are to B, but then he would come back with something against H series motors, its a loose loose situation. Do what you want. I give more respect to those doing more with less anyday even if the gains arn't as much.
